[CESG] [EXTERNAL] CESG Minutes of Meeting - Final version

Tue Jun 4 07:06:47 UTC 2019

Dear Margherita,

considering the conclusions of that part of the meeting as reported in the 
final version of the MoM, i.e. (extracted verbatim from the MoM):
The stated purpose of the Yellow Book will now be to document this 
interaction between SOIS and MOIMS on-board, and not only to document the 
comparative features of the MAL and EDS. PS to assess the comments to the 
Yellow Book provided by the MOIMS Area, and to update the Yellow Book, in 
the light of the 3 Cases and the current understanding about SOIS and S/C 
real-time environments.
The book shall then be re-assessed by CESG.
Organize/schedule a telecom focused on sorting out outstanding issues (if 
any) and come up with an agreed upon concept that will be documented in 
the final Yellow Book.
Develop one example of mapping/interfacing of one MO service to one board 
service. JW to propose one on board SOIS service ( e.g one instrument on a 
subnet, described by EDS?s) , MOIMS and SOIS to develop the relevant 
mapping example.

I consider an unnecessary duplication of effort to produce the annex to 
the MoM. The above actions will provide more educated answers to the 
questions on the table than trying to document the unstructured discussion 
that took place during the CESG meeting.

Regards,

__Mario

From:   Margherita.di.Giulio at esa.int
To:     "Shames, Peter M (312B)" <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>, "'CCSDS 
CESG --'" <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>
Date:   03/06/2019 12:19
Subject:        Re: [CESG] [EXTERNAL]  CESG Minutes of Meeting - Final 
version
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Dear Peter and All, 
I have taken some time before replying, because the matter is complex. 

One one hand, I stick to my statement that "The scope of  the Minutes of 
Meeting is to record the conclusion of the discussion and the way forward 
( decisions and actions). " 
This holds for *any*  Minute of Meeting, because the MoMs are not supposed 
to be a technical report about the topics addressed during the meeting 
The MoM is an administrative and management document 

On the other hand,  I understand  the desire to record all the steps of 
the technical discussion  and the key concepts, for future use. 
Peter's input is valuable, but it it reflects the content of his notes 
taken at the meeting - I am not arguing if these are right or wrong, 
There were other opinions and contributions,  from (almost all of the ) 
CESG members. 

Conclusion: the three involved parties ( Peter, Mario, Jonathan) shall 
write a "Complement" or Annex to the MoM, containing the steps of the 
discussion that contributed to the clarification of the concepts, and that 
brought to the conclusions. 
The effort for doing such Annex is not major, and in any case it will 
constitute the basis for future technical work - so, it will be directly 
re-usable. 
The material already available from Peter's notes shared via previous 
e-mail(s) is a starting point. But this shall be either commented or 
concurred by Mario and Jonathan and, actually, by anybody who wish to 
contribute. 
I request to stick to what was truly said during the meeting, rather then 
diverging with any sort of arguments. 
That Annex, once agreed by all authors and finalised,  will be uploaded to 
the CWE in the same Directory where all the meeting material is. 

If that  approach is fine with the a.m.  involved people  I will add to 
the MoM a "post-meeting Action" to produce the Annex. 

Kind regards,
Margherita 

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Margherita di Giulio 
Ground Station Systems Division 
Backend Software Section (OPS-GSB) 

European Space Agency ESA/ESOC
Robert-Bosch-Str. 5
D-64293 Darmstadt - Germany
Tel: +49-6151-902779
e-mail: Margherita.di.Giulio at esa.int

From:        "Shames, Peter M (312B)" <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov> 
To:        "Margherita.di.Giulio at esa.int" <Margherita.di.Giulio at esa.int>, 
"'CCSDS CESG --'" <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org> 
Date:        24/05/2019 20:58 
Subject:        Re: [EXTERNAL] [CESG] CESG Minutes of Meeting - Final 
version 

Dear Margherita,

I believe that you did a quite good job of dealing with somewhat 
contentious subject matter.  And I understand completely your approach. To 
that end, and being mindful of what you stated below: 

"Otherwise,  for the sake of fairness, all opinions and contributions by 
the participants to the discussion should be recorded "

I believe that there were significant statements made by both me and Mario 
that got left out of the discussion.  As a consequence, I am asking that 
the MoM be amended to include these significant statements, as shown in 
the attached.  As an example, it is clearly the case that I spent some 
significant time and effort to present the history, using images from the 
original SOIS / MOIMS MOU, and images from other more recent materials, to 
demonstrate that the whole concept of hard real-time systems and software, 
in the spacecraft on-board environment, had never even been acknowledged 
before.  This is key to understanding the limitations and constraints on 
any software intended to operate on-board, and it figured in Mario's 
statement that "MOIMS never intended to develop such real-time software."

In fairness, I would like the minutes to reflect these actual "opinions 
and contributions ? to the discussion".

Thanks, Peter

From: CESG <cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of 
"Margherita.di.Giulio at esa.int" <Margherita.di.Giulio at esa.int>
Date: Friday, May 24, 2019 at 9:25 AM
To: CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [CESG] CESG Minutes of Meeting - Final version

Dear All, 
please find attached the final version of the CESG Minutes of Meeting. 
I have included only comments that help  the understanding of the text. 

Concerning the discussion about MO services and SOIS-defined on board 
services, I would like to recall that it is not in the scope of the 
Minutes of Meeting to record each and every sentence which contributed to 
the brainstorming . 
The scope of  the Minutes of Meeting is to record the conclusion of the 
discussion and the way forward ( decisions and actions). 
Otherwise,  for the sake of fairness, all opinions and contributions by 
the participants to the discussion should be recorded. 

The technical discussion shall be resumed in the upcoming course of 
actions , and the (detailed) outcome shall become part of the technical 
documentation. 

The MoM is also available at:: 
https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/docs/CWE%20Private/Meetings/2019%20Spring%20Meeting%20Mountain%20View/CESG%20Meeting%2C%2010%20May%202019/d1.0-CESG-Spring19%20Minutes%20of%20Meeting_FINAL.pdf 

Kind regards,
Margherita 

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Margherita di Giulio 
Ground Station Systems Division 
Backend Software Section (OPS-GSB) 

European Space Agency ESA/ESOC
Robert-Bosch-Str. 5
D-64293 Darmstadt - Germany
Tel: +49-6151-902779
e-mail: Margherita.di.Giulio at esa.int
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