[Sls-rfm] B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected

Wed Oct 12 14:35:25 UTC 2016

Incorrect. We have no PDF file to link to, so it can't be listed there. The
document exists only in hardcopy, if it exists at all. 

Thomas Gannett

thomas.gannett at tgannett.net

+1 443 472 0805

From: Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int [mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:14 AM
To: Thomas Gannett
Cc: Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int; 'Gilles Moury'; Nestor.Peccia at esa.int;
sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org
Subject: RE: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected

Disappear from the active list but still visible at
<https://public.ccsds.org/publications/SilverBooks.aspx>
https://public.ccsds.org/publications/SilverBooks.aspx 

Correct? 

From:        "Thomas Gannett" <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net> 
To:        <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int> 
Cc:        <Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int>, "'Gilles Moury'"
<Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>, <Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>, <sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org>

Date:        12/10/2016 16:08 
Subject:        RE: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected 

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CCSDS B20.0-Y-1 is just an item in a list. It is not an actual document in
terms of anything we can move from one collection to another. So making it
"silver" will simply make it disappear. That can be done. 

Thomas Gannett 
thomas.gannett at tgannett.net 
+1 443 472 0805 

From: Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int [ <mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>
mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 9:57 AM
To: Thomas Gannett
Cc: Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int; 'Gilles Moury'; Nestor.Peccia at esa.int;
sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org
Subject: RE: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected 

Is there a chance to silverize it? 

From:        "Thomas Gannett" < <mailto:thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
thomas.gannett at tgannett.net> 
To:        < <mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>
Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int> 
Cc:        < <mailto:Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int> Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int>,
"'Gilles Moury'" < <mailto:Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr> Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>, <
<mailto:Nestor.Peccia at esa.int> Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>, <
<mailto:sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org> sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org> 
Date:        12/10/2016 15:36 
Subject:        RE: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected 

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Actually, I think I did set the database to show an empty next-status date
field when "none" is the next status, so a book with a next status of "none"
will never catch anyone's attention again. (That's not actually a good
thing.) 

Thomas Gannett 
thomas.gannett at tgannett.net 
+1 443 472 0805 

From:  <mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int> Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int [
<mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int> mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 9:22 AM
To: Thomas Gannett
Cc:  <mailto:Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int> Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int; 'Gilles
Moury';  <mailto:Nestor.Peccia at esa.int> Nestor.Peccia at esa.int;
<mailto:sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org> sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org
Subject: RE: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected 

Tom, 
      thank you for the clarification. 
Clearly we would hope that there is something possible on the database to
avoid the related production of useless information. 
If there is the need that the next-status date field will continue to have
some value in it, we may consider setting that date far into the future or
to have decennia checks; e.g. next check in 2020 and then check again in
2030  or even better - since we checked now - next date 2026  :o) 

Regards 

Gian Paolo 

PS "Lower" values of the next-status date field are to be considered risky
not only to  catch Gian Paolo's attention, but also to catch CMC delegates
attention   :o) 

From:        "Thomas Gannett" < <mailto:thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
thomas.gannett at tgannett.net> 
To:        < <mailto:Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int> Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int>, <
<mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int> Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int> 
Cc:        "'Gilles Moury'" < <mailto:Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>
Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>, < <mailto:sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org>
sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org>, < <mailto:Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>
Nestor.Peccia at esa.int> 
Date:        12/10/2016 15:11 
Subject:        RE: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected 

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Dear Enrico: 

The status table is produced from a database that contains a lot of useless
information and applies calculations uniformly across all the documents,
sometimes producing useless results. 

However, in 2010 you did indicate uncertainty about the lifespan of the
meeting proceedings documents, and I think even you might agree that it does
not hurt to revisit them occasionally to determine whether they are of
continued use (reconfirmation review includes the option of retirement). You
are in the best position to know whether they are of continued use. 

In the case of the three RF&Mod proceedings documents, actually only one
exists electronically; the other two were hardcopy only. Fairly recently, if
you recall, we both searched for an extant copy of one of them, querying all
the old-timers we could think of, and discovered that not a single a copy
could be found. So whether it is to anyone's benefit to continue to list the
books as active CCSDS publications is actually a good question. 

If it were up to me, I would retire both CCSDS 421.0-G-1 and CCSDS
B20.0-Y-1, since the CCSDS is unable to produce a copy of either; but it is
not really my call. I think if I set the next status of CCSDS B20.0-Y-2 to
"none" it may no longer catch Gian Paolo's attention, but the next-status
date field will continue to have some value in it. Maybe he can remember not
to ask you about it. 

Best regards, 
Tom 

Thomas Gannett 
thomas.gannett at tgannett.net 
+1 443 472 0805 

From:  <mailto:Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int> Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int [
<mailto:Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int> mailto:Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 6:21 AM
To:  <mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int> Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int
Cc: Tom Gannett; Gilles Moury;  <mailto:sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org>
sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org;  <mailto:Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>
Nestor.Peccia at esa.int
Subject: Re: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected 

Tom should have fixed this problem in 2010. 

The ball is with him. 

Please stop involving RFM WG on this. If anything is needed, do it at SLS or
CESG level. 

Cheers, Enrico 
----- Forwarded by Enrico Vassallo/esoc/ESA on 12/10/2016 12:15 ----- 

From:        Enrico Vassallo/esoc/ESA 
To:         <mailto:tomg at aiaa.org> tomg at aiaa.org 
Cc:        "Jean-luc Gerner" < <mailto:jeanluc.gerner at yahoo.com>
jeanluc.gerner at yahoo.com>, "Moury Gilles" < <mailto:gilles.moury at cnes.fr>
gilles.moury at cnes.fr> 
Date:        13/08/2010 10:30 
Subject:        Re: Status of CCSDS books 

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Tom, 

I reviewed the documents under my two groups. I have the following comments:

1) 413.0-G-1        It's obsolete and replaced by G-2 and therefore I think
it should disappear from the list (for instance we have 401.0-B-20 but not
all 19 previous issues listed.) 

2) 421.0-G-1, B20.0-Y-1, B20.0-Y-2         

These are proceedings from 1989, 1993 and 2001. I am not sure what is the
lifetime plan for proceedings. For sure they do not need reconfirmation
review. I would be inclined to keep them on the list as current since
proceedings never become obsolete, and remove the next action and its date.
Also the responsibility should be transferred to secretariat. However, I am
happy to discuss this proposal if rules exist also for proceedings. 

Sorry for the delay in my response, 

Enrico 

From:        Gian Paolo Calzolari/esoc/ESA 
To:        Enrico Vassallo/esoc/ESA at ESA 
Cc:        "Tom Gannett" < <mailto:thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>, "Gilles Moury" < <mailto:Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>
Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>,  <mailto:sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org>
sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org 
Date:        12/10/2016 11:46 
Subject:        Re: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected 

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Enrico, 
      I am sure it will never change. 
I was just wondering whether there is a need for e.g. a WG Resolution to
finally/definitively put the next action date to year 3000   :o) 

Regards 

Gian Paolo 

From:        Enrico Vassallo/esoc/ESA 
To:        Gian Paolo Calzolari/esoc/ESA at ESA 
Cc:        "Tom Gannett" < <mailto:thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>, "Gilles Moury" < <mailto:Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>
Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>,  <mailto:sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org>
sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org 
Date:        12/10/2016 11:44 
Subject:        Re: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected 

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This is a collection of input papers. It cannot be changed !!!! 

We told this to the CCSDS World many times already. Please stop this
proliferation of useless information. 

Regards, Enrico 

From:        Gian Paolo Calzolari/esoc/ESA 
To:        "Tom Gannett" < <mailto:thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
thomas.gannett at tgannett.net> 
Cc:        "Gilles Moury" < <mailto:Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>
Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>, Enrico Vassallo/esoc/ESA at ESA 
Date:        12/10/2016 11:38 
Subject:        B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected 

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Tom, 
     do you need any (re)action from the WG to state that this book is going
to stay as is? 
Thanks 

Gian Paolo 

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