[Sls-rfm] B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected
Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int
Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int
Wed Oct 12 14:14:09 UTC 2016
Disappear from the active list but still visible at
https://public.ccsds.org/publications/SilverBooks.aspx
Correct?
From: "Thomas Gannett" <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
To: <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>
Cc: <Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int>, "'Gilles Moury'"
<Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>, <Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>,
<sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org>
Date: 12/10/2016 16:08
Subject: RE: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected
CCSDS B20.0-Y-1 is just an item in a list. It is not an actual document in
terms of anything we can move from one collection to another. So making it
?silver? will simply make it disappear. That can be done.
Thomas Gannett
thomas.gannett at tgannett.net
+1 443 472 0805
From: Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int [mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int]
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 9:57 AM
To: Thomas Gannett
Cc: Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int; 'Gilles Moury'; Nestor.Peccia at esa.int;
sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org
Subject: RE: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected
Is there a chance to silverize it?
From: "Thomas Gannett" <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
To: <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>
Cc: <Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int>, "'Gilles Moury'" <
Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>, <Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>, <sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org
>
Date: 12/10/2016 15:36
Subject: RE: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected
Actually, I think I did set the database to show an empty next-status date
field when ?none? is the next status, so a book with a next status of
?none? will never catch anyone?s attention again. (That?s not actually a
good thing.)
Thomas Gannett
thomas.gannett at tgannett.net
+1 443 472 0805
From: Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int [mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int]
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 9:22 AM
To: Thomas Gannett
Cc: Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int; 'Gilles Moury'; Nestor.Peccia at esa.int;
sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org
Subject: RE: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected
Tom,
thank you for the clarification.
Clearly we would hope that there is something possible on the database to
avoid the related production of useless information.
If there is the need that the next-status date field will continue to have
some value in it, we may consider setting that date far into the future or
to have decennia checks; e.g. next check in 2020 and then check again in
2030 or even better - since we checked now - next date 2026 :o)
Regards
Gian Paolo
PS "Lower" values of the next-status date field are to be considered risky
not only to catch Gian Paolo?s attention, but also to catch CMC delegates
attention :o)
From: "Thomas Gannett" <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
To: <Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int>, <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>
Cc: "'Gilles Moury'" <Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>, <
sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org>, <Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>
Date: 12/10/2016 15:11
Subject: RE: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected
Dear Enrico:
The status table is produced from a database that contains a lot of
useless information and applies calculations uniformly across all the
documents, sometimes producing useless results.
However, in 2010 you did indicate uncertainty about the lifespan of the
meeting proceedings documents, and I think even you might agree that it
does not hurt to revisit them occasionally to determine whether they are
of continued use (reconfirmation review includes the option of
retirement). You are in the best position to know whether they are of
continued use.
In the case of the three RF&Mod proceedings documents, actually only one
exists electronically; the other two were hardcopy only. Fairly recently,
if you recall, we both searched for an extant copy of one of them,
querying all the old-timers we could think of, and discovered that not a
single a copy could be found. So whether it is to anyone?s benefit to
continue to list the books as active CCSDS publications is actually a good
question.
If it were up to me, I would retire both CCSDS 421.0-G-1 and CCSDS
B20.0-Y-1, since the CCSDS is unable to produce a copy of either; but it
is not really my call. I think if I set the next status of CCSDS B20.0-Y-2
to ?none? it may no longer catch Gian Paolo?s attention, but the
next-status date field will continue to have some value in it. Maybe he
can remember not to ask you about it.
Best regards,
Tom
Thomas Gannett
thomas.gannett at tgannett.net
+1 443 472 0805
From: Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int [mailto:Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int]
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 6:21 AM
To: Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int
Cc: Tom Gannett; Gilles Moury; sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org;
Nestor.Peccia at esa.int
Subject: Re: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected
Tom should have fixed this problem in 2010.
The ball is with him.
Please stop involving RFM WG on this. If anything is needed, do it at SLS
or CESG level.
Cheers, Enrico
----- Forwarded by Enrico Vassallo/esoc/ESA on 12/10/2016 12:15 -----
From: Enrico Vassallo/esoc/ESA
To: tomg at aiaa.org
Cc: "Jean-luc Gerner" <jeanluc.gerner at yahoo.com>, "Moury Gilles" <
gilles.moury at cnes.fr>
Date: 13/08/2010 10:30
Subject: Re: Status of CCSDS books
Tom,
I reviewed the documents under my two groups. I have the following
comments:
1) 413.0-G-1 It's obsolete and replaced by G-2 and therefore I
think it should disappear from the list (for instance we have 401.0-B-20
but not all 19 previous issues listed.)
2) 421.0-G-1, B20.0-Y-1, B20.0-Y-2
These are proceedings from 1989, 1993 and 2001. I am not sure what is the
lifetime plan for proceedings. For sure they do not need reconfirmation
review. I would be inclined to keep them on the list as current since
proceedings never become obsolete, and remove the next action and its
date. Also the responsibility should be transferred to secretariat.
However, I am happy to discuss this proposal if rules exist also for
proceedings.
Sorry for the delay in my response,
Enrico
From: Gian Paolo Calzolari/esoc/ESA
To: Enrico Vassallo/esoc/ESA at ESA
Cc: "Tom Gannett" <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>, "Gilles Moury" <
Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>, sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org
Date: 12/10/2016 11:46
Subject: Re: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected
Enrico,
I am sure it will never change.
I was just wondering whether there is a need for e.g. a WG Resolution to
finally/definitively put the next action date to year 3000 :o)
Regards
Gian Paolo
From: Enrico Vassallo/esoc/ESA
To: Gian Paolo Calzolari/esoc/ESA at ESA
Cc: "Tom Gannett" <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>, "Gilles Moury" <
Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>, sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org
Date: 12/10/2016 11:44
Subject: Re: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected
This is a collection of input papers. It cannot be changed !!!!
We told this to the CCSDS World many times already. Please stop this
proliferation of useless information.
Regards, Enrico
From: Gian Paolo Calzolari/esoc/ESA
To: "Tom Gannett" <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
Cc: "Gilles Moury" <Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>, Enrico
Vassallo/esoc/ESA at ESA
Date: 12/10/2016 11:38
Subject: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected
Tom,
do you need any (re)action from the WG to state that this book is
going to stay as is?
Thanks
Gian Paolo
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