[Sls-rfm] B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected

Wed Oct 12 16:07:54 UTC 2016

I have a copy of Y2. JPL has a copy of Y1. They should have been scanned 
and made available to CCSDS.

Collections of input documents are always useful. I would like to leave 
this issue with CESG/CMC.

Regards, Enrico

From:   "Thomas Gannett" <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
To:     <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>
Cc:     <Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int>, "'Gilles Moury'" 
<Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>, <Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>, 
<sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org>
Date:   12/10/2016 16:35
Subject:        RE: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected

Incorrect. We have no PDF file to link to, so it can?t be listed there. 
The document exists only in hardcopy, if it exists at all. 

Thomas Gannett
thomas.gannett at tgannett.net
+1 443 472 0805

From: Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int [mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:14 AM
To: Thomas Gannett
Cc: Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int; 'Gilles Moury'; Nestor.Peccia at esa.int; 
sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org
Subject: RE: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected

Disappear from the active list but still visible at     
https://public.ccsds.org/publications/SilverBooks.aspx 

Correct? 

From:        "Thomas Gannett" <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net> 
To:        <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int> 
Cc:        <Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int>, "'Gilles Moury'" <
Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>, <Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>, <sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org
> 
Date:        12/10/2016 16:08 
Subject:        RE: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected 

CCSDS B20.0-Y-1 is just an item in a list. It is not an actual document in 
terms of anything we can move from one collection to another. So making it 
?silver? will simply make it disappear. That can be done. 

Thomas Gannett 
thomas.gannett at tgannett.net 
+1 443 472 0805 

From: Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int [mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 9:57 AM
To: Thomas Gannett
Cc: Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int; 'Gilles Moury'; Nestor.Peccia at esa.int; 
sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org
Subject: RE: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected 

Is there a chance to silverize it? 

From:        "Thomas Gannett" <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net> 
To:        <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int> 
Cc:        <Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int>, "'Gilles Moury'" <
Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>, <Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>, <sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org
> 
Date:        12/10/2016 15:36 
Subject:        RE: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected 

Actually, I think I did set the database to show an empty next-status date 
field when ?none? is the next status, so a book with a next status of 
?none? will never catch anyone?s attention again. (That?s not actually a 
good thing.) 

Thomas Gannett 
thomas.gannett at tgannett.net 
+1 443 472 0805 

From: Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int [mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 9:22 AM
To: Thomas Gannett
Cc: Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int; 'Gilles Moury'; Nestor.Peccia at esa.int; 
sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org
Subject: RE: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected 

Tom, 
      thank you for the clarification. 
Clearly we would hope that there is something possible on the database to 
avoid the related production of useless information. 
If there is the need that the next-status date field will continue to have 
some value in it, we may consider setting that date far into the future or 
to have decennia checks; e.g. next check in 2020 and then check again in 
2030  or even better - since we checked now - next date 2026  :o) 

Regards 

Gian Paolo 

PS "Lower" values of the next-status date field are to be considered risky 
not only to  catch Gian Paolo?s attention, but also to catch CMC delegates 
attention   :o) 

From:        "Thomas Gannett" <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net> 
To:        <Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int>, <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int> 
Cc:        "'Gilles Moury'" <Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>, <
sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org>, <Nestor.Peccia at esa.int> 
Date:        12/10/2016 15:11 
Subject:        RE: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected 

Dear Enrico: 

The status table is produced from a database that contains a lot of 
useless information and applies calculations uniformly across all the 
documents, sometimes producing useless results. 

However, in 2010 you did indicate uncertainty about the lifespan of the 
meeting proceedings documents, and I think even you might agree that it 
does not hurt to revisit them occasionally to determine whether they are 
of continued use (reconfirmation review includes the option of 
retirement). You are in the best position to know whether they are of 
continued use. 

In the case of the three RF&Mod proceedings documents, actually only one 
exists electronically; the other two were hardcopy only. Fairly recently, 
if you recall, we both searched for an extant copy of one of them, 
querying all the old-timers we could think of, and discovered that not a 
single a copy could be found. So whether it is to anyone?s benefit to 
continue to list the books as active CCSDS publications is actually a good 
question. 

If it were up to me, I would retire both CCSDS 421.0-G-1 and CCSDS 
B20.0-Y-1, since the CCSDS is unable to produce a copy of either; but it 
is not really my call. I think if I set the next status of CCSDS B20.0-Y-2 
to ?none? it may no longer catch Gian Paolo?s attention, but the 
next-status date field will continue to have some value in it. Maybe he 
can remember not to ask you about it. 

Best regards, 
Tom 

Thomas Gannett 
thomas.gannett at tgannett.net 
+1 443 472 0805 

From: Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int [mailto:Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 6:21 AM
To: Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int
Cc: Tom Gannett; Gilles Moury; sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org; 
Nestor.Peccia at esa.int
Subject: Re: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected 

Tom should have fixed this problem in 2010. 

The ball is with him. 

Please stop involving RFM WG on this. If anything is needed, do it at SLS 
or CESG level. 

Cheers, Enrico 
----- Forwarded by Enrico Vassallo/esoc/ESA on 12/10/2016 12:15 ----- 

From:        Enrico Vassallo/esoc/ESA 
To:        tomg at aiaa.org 
Cc:        "Jean-luc Gerner" <jeanluc.gerner at yahoo.com>, "Moury Gilles" <
gilles.moury at cnes.fr> 
Date:        13/08/2010 10:30 
Subject:        Re: Status of CCSDS books 

Tom, 

I reviewed the documents under my two groups. I have the following 
comments: 

1) 413.0-G-1        It's obsolete and replaced by G-2 and therefore I 
think it should disappear from the list (for instance we have 401.0-B-20 
but not all 19 previous issues listed.) 

2) 421.0-G-1, B20.0-Y-1, B20.0-Y-2         

These are proceedings from 1989, 1993 and 2001. I am not sure what is the 
lifetime plan for proceedings. For sure they do not need reconfirmation 
review. I would be inclined to keep them on the list as current since 
proceedings never become obsolete, and remove the next action and its 
date. Also the responsibility should be transferred to secretariat. 
However, I am happy to discuss this proposal if rules exist also for 
proceedings. 

Sorry for the delay in my response, 

Enrico 

From:        Gian Paolo Calzolari/esoc/ESA 
To:        Enrico Vassallo/esoc/ESA at ESA 
Cc:        "Tom Gannett" <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>, "Gilles Moury" <
Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>, sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org 
Date:        12/10/2016 11:46 
Subject:        Re: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected 

Enrico, 
      I am sure it will never change. 
I was just wondering whether there is a need for e.g. a WG Resolution to 
finally/definitively put the next action date to year 3000   :o) 

Regards 

Gian Paolo 

From:        Enrico Vassallo/esoc/ESA 
To:        Gian Paolo Calzolari/esoc/ESA at ESA 
Cc:        "Tom Gannett" <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>, "Gilles Moury" <
Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>, sls-rfm at mailman.ccsds.org 
Date:        12/10/2016 11:44 
Subject:        Re: B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected 

This is a collection of input papers. It cannot be changed !!!! 

We told this to the CCSDS World many times already. Please stop this 
proliferation of useless information. 

Regards, Enrico 

From:        Gian Paolo Calzolari/esoc/ESA 
To:        "Tom Gannett" <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net> 
Cc:        "Gilles Moury" <Gilles.Moury at cnes.fr>, Enrico 
Vassallo/esoc/ESA at ESA 
Date:        12/10/2016 11:38 
Subject:        B20.0-Y-1 / Any re-action expected 

Tom, 
     do you need any (re)action from the WG to state that this book is 
going to stay as is? 
Thanks 

Gian Paolo 

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