[Sls-mhdc] Fw: URGENT: Ccsds

[David.Evans at esa.int]

update

----- Forwarded by David Evans/esoc/ESA on 17/10/2018 15:04 -----

From:   it patent/estec/ESA
To:     David Evans/esoc/ESA at ESA
Date:   17/10/2018 14:55
Subject:        Re: URGENT: Ccsds
Sent by:        Mercedes Sanchez Alvarez


Hi Dave,

Sorry for my late reply, we have been in meetings all day. 

Please, see the answers to your questions (in green):

- Please confirm that anyone working on this algorithm for the CCSDS 
working group would get a license and not have to pay the license fee. 
They are helping ESA define it as a standard. asking them to pay for the 
pleasure is a bit cheeky. Please confirm that this license would allow 
them to use it on other spacecraft in the future. I need this to get the 
support to build the second prototype from CNES. 
We confirm that the handling fee will not be requested to anyone working 
on this algorithm for the CCSDS working group. And since the license is 
meant for space, it would allow them to use it on other spacecraft in the 
future.

- Is the handling fee only applicable to when software is delivered (you 
mention operational software below)? The point is a CCSDS standard is not 
describing the software but its a reference so someone else could build 
there own implementation against to test its compliant. That is, these 
guys would be using any software just looking at the standard and trying 
to build their own implementation. This would be the same for all other 
standard users. 
The handling fee is related to the use of the patent, not the software. 
This means that anyone could develop its own software but if they are 
using the methodology described in the patent, they'd need a license on 
the patent. 
Maybe the mention to the operational software was a bit misleading, I was 
only making the analogy on the licensing policy from ESOC related to the 
operational software.

Let me know if you have further questions.

Thanks and kind regards,

Mercedes


ESA - European Space Agency

Aude de Clercq, 
 
Nuria Hernández Alfageme (ATG Europe on Behalf of ESA),

Mercedes Sánchez Álvarez (HE Space on Behalf of ESA)

& Franziska Bierbüße (German Trainee on Behalf of ESA)

Technology Transfer & Business Incubation Office (TTBO)
Directorate of Technology, Engineering and Quality
Keplerlaan 1, PO Box 299
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From:
David Evans/esoc/ESA
To:
patent/estec/ESA at ESA
Date:
16/10/2018 19:57
Subject:
URGENT: Ccsds


Hi Mercedes,

The CCSDS working group reacted a bit strongly to the 3.5K handling fee. 
They want to know;

- Please confirm that anyone working on this algorithm for the CCSDS 
working group would get a license and not have to pay the license fee. 
They are helping ESA define it as a standard. asking them to pay for the 
pleasure is a bit cheeky. Please confirm that this license would allow 
them to use it on other spacecraft in the future. I need this to get the 
support to build the second prototype from CNES. 
- Is the handling fee only applicable to when software is delivered (you 
mention operational software below)? The point is a CCSDS standard is not 
describing the software but its a reference so someone else could build 
there own implementation against to test its compliant. That is, these 
guys would be using any software just looking at the standard and trying 
to build their own implementation. This would be the same for all other 
standard users. 

The last day of the working group meeting is tomorrow, If at all possible, 
do you think you could clarify these points by then. Otherwise this will 
drag on for another six months until the Spring Meeting 2019. 

Best regards.
Dave





From:   it patent/estec/ESA
To:     David Evans/esoc/ESA at ESA
Date:   15/10/2018 11:25
Subject:        Re: Ccsds
Sent by:        Mercedes Sanchez Alvarez


Hi Dave,

As discussed last week on the phone, in the frame of the ISO deliverable 
CCSDS  124.0-B, with title "Robust Compression of Fixed-Lengh Housekeeping 
data", ESA will be willing to grant free of charge licenses on a 
non-discriminatory basis and under other reasonable terms and conditions 
to make, use, and sell implementations of the patent application with 
title "Compression and decompression of time series data" (POCKET+, app. 
number PCT/EP2017/052644), for space applications.

The license agreement will have a handling fee, in line with the licenses 
granted for the use of the Operational Software.

I hope this clarifies. Let me know if you need further inputs. 

Kind regards,

Mercedes


ESA - European Space Agency

Aude de Clercq, 
 
Nuria Hernández Alfageme (ATG Europe on Behalf of ESA),

Mercedes Sánchez Álvarez (HE Space on Behalf of ESA)

& Franziska Bierbüße (German Trainee on Behalf of ESA)

Technology Transfer & Business Incubation Office (TTBO)
Directorate of Technology, Engineering and Quality
Keplerlaan 1, PO Box 299
NL-2200 AG Noordwijk, The Netherlands

patent at esa.int | www.esa.int/ttp

T +31 71 565 8662 |+31 71 565 6511 | +31 71 565 4436
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From:
David Evans/esoc/ESA
To:
patent/estec/ESA at ESA
Date:
15/10/2018 09:37
Subject:
Ccsds



Hi Mercedes,

Please do not forget the input I need on P+ patent status for the CCSDS 
meeting. It is tomorrow.

Best regards, Dave








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