[MOIMS] [CESG] Fw: RID template in excel format - for comments

Mon Feb 5 20:22:03 UTC 2018

Mario:

Here are my comments in addition to yours. I did not copy Margherita; I assume you might consolidate the comments from MOIMS (if not, let me know and I'll send to Margherita directly).

1. I think doing RIDs via spreadsheet (like this) will be inefficient and error prone, however, implementation of the method will be fast, flexible, and inexpensive compared to an online application.

2. I assume that doing RIDs via this vehicle will replace ALL other current methods (there are 3: online tool, MS Word doc, ASCII doc). Replacing the old methods with a single standard vehicle for collecting comments will be good, and fitting for a standards organization.

3. At the top of the two worksheets for RIDs (i.e., not the instructions), there are lines for "RID TITLE" and "RID SHORT TITLE". These are meaningless for a form that by default has spaces for 50 RIDs. I think these two fields can therefore be removed.

4. The "Review Team Disposition" in the two worksheets for RIDs should be filled in by a pull down selector to facilitate ease-of-use and ensure consistency.

5. Instruction #3 refers to a "General Comments" column... but there is no such column. I suspect this is supposed to be "Supporting Analysis" (?).

6. I think the instructions for "Duplicate" are not clear, and I also think that this categorization is not necessary. The agencies that submit RIDs via this form will not have access to the forms filed by other agencies, so would not have a context to understand the identification of "the Consolidated Comment # (Column H) of the dispositioned comment in the Rationale Column". Since this operation will already be heavily oriented towards copy/paste, the Disposition ("Concur...", "Non-Concur", "Not Applicable", and "Defer"), and the Rationale for the Disposition can be copied from the form for Agency #1 to the forms for Agency #2...#N.

7. The Overall Review Coordinator could have difficulty processing the RIDs because spreadsheets are infinitely flexible, and it seems very likely that different agencies might introduce local modifications to the sheets that could make them hard to consolidate. We've already seen such things with the WG report Powerpoint templates.

For your consideration,
David

From: MOIMS <moims-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of "Mario.Merri at esa.int" <Mario.Merri at esa.int>
Date: Monday, February 5, 2018 at 8:58 AM
To: "moims at mailman.ccsds.org" <moims at mailman.ccsds.org>
Cc: "Margherita.di.Giulio at esa.int" <Margherita.di.Giulio at esa.int>
Subject: [MOIMS] [CESG] Fw: RID template in excel format - for comments

Dear MOIMS leaders,

could you please provide me your comments, if any, to the proposed RID template by Wed end of business? My preliminary comments are below:

1. General: Not clear what the difference is between the sheet "Agency or Org" and the one "Consolidated Comments", they seem to be identical.

2. Sheet "General Instructions" Item 5: I do not understand it. I assume this describes the work to be done by the "Agency/Organization RID Coordinator" of item 4. It is irrelevant to prescribe how the review is conducted internally to an agency. The bottom line is that any agency has to provide a consolidated list of valid RIDs.

3. I assume that the WG will go through all received RIDs and dispose all of them. To do this, the WG will assign a disposition status in the column "J" by using the short definitions in the General Instructions sheet (this will allow sorting/searching for RIDs with a given status). Please note that the terminology used is confusing. For instance "Concur: Reviewer agrees with the recommended change or overall evaluation" should read "Concur: WG agrees with the recommended change or overall evaluation". The WG will use column "K" to comment or specify the proposed implementation for that particular RID. Please improved the General Instructions.

4. Once the WG has disposed all RIDs, it is a requirement of the CCSDS that the dispositions are agreed by the originating RID author. Please add 2 new columns with a flag (Agreed/Not Agreed) and an associated comment.

Margherita: we will be a few days late. Sorry.

Regards,

__Mario
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From:        Margherita.di.Giulio at esa.int
To:        cesg at mailman.ccsds.org
Date:        31/01/2018 14:58
Subject:        [CESG] Fw: RID template in excel format - for comments
Sent by:        "CESG" <cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org>
________________________________

Dear All,
last week I issued my first e-mail to the CESG members and... I  took a wrong distribution list.
I am now resending that e-mail, hoping to use the right list this time.

It;'s about a  RID Template that has been requested by CMC at the last meeting in Darmstadt, and which has been prototyped by David.
Please see further details in the attached e-mail.

Please address that with your WGs, and let me have your comments, if any, by 5th February. I will then be able to report on that at the CMC Telecon on 7th February.

Thanks, and kind regards,
Margherita

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Margherita di Giulio
Data Systems Infrastructure Division (OPS-GI)

European Space Agency ESA/ESOC
Robert-Bosch-Str. 5
D-64293 Darmstadt - Germany
Tel: +49-6151-902779
e-mail: Margherita.di.Giulio at esa.int

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From:        Margherita di Giulio/esoc/ESA
To:        CESG <cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org>
Date:        26-01-18 14:57
Subject:        RID template in excel format - for comments
________________________________

Dear All,
at the last CMC Meeting it has been proposed to change the RID template to an excell format. This would provide  the possibility to filter according to some criteria, e.g.  by section, or by author, etc.
David has produced such template, which the CESG shall evaluate and comment.
Please take a look and let me have your comments by 5th February c.o.b.
I will then report on  this topic at the CMC telecon .

Note: in the table,  one RID shall be entered per row, starting at  row 6 of the excell.
Rows 4 and 5 of the table presently contain   the  "RID title ", "RID Short Title", the "Review Date" and the "Disposition Date"  . However , this will be changed -  such that every row ( that is, every RID) will have its own Title, short Title, Review Date and Disposition Date - by means of  additional columns.
This is a known issue, so please do not comment on that. .

Kind regards,
Margherita

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Margherita di Giulio
Data Systems Infrastructure Division (OPS-GI)

European Space Agency ESA/ESOC
Robert-Bosch-Str. 5
D-64293 Darmstadt - Germany
Tel: +49-6151-902779
e-mail: Margherita.di.Giulio at esa.int

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