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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Courier">Mario:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Courier">Here are my comments in addition to yours. I did not copy Margherita; I assume you might consolidate the comments from MOIMS (if not, let me know and I'll send to Margherita directly).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Courier">1. I think doing RIDs via spreadsheet (like this) will be inefficient and error prone, however, implementation of the method will be fast, flexible, and inexpensive compared to an online
 application.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Courier">2. I assume that doing RIDs via this vehicle will replace ALL other current methods (there are 3: online tool, MS Word doc, ASCII doc). Replacing the old methods with a single standard
 vehicle for collecting comments will be good, and fitting for a standards organization.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Courier">3. At the top of the two worksheets for RIDs (i.e., not the instructions), there are lines for "RID TITLE" and "RID SHORT TITLE". These are meaningless for a form that by default has spaces
 for 50 RIDs. I think these two fields can therefore be removed. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Courier">4. The "Review Team Disposition" in the two worksheets for RIDs should be filled in by a pull down selector to facilitate ease-of-use and ensure consistency.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Courier">5. Instruction #3 refers to a "General Comments" column... but there is no such column. I suspect this is supposed to be "Supporting Analysis" (?).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Courier">6. I think the instructions for "Duplicate" are not clear, and I also think that this categorization is not necessary. The agencies that submit RIDs via this form will not have access to
 the forms filed by other agencies, so would not have a context to understand the identification of "the Consolidated Comment # (Column H) of the dispositioned comment in the Rationale Column". Since this operation will already be heavily oriented towards copy/paste,
 the Disposition ("Concur...", "Non-Concur", "Not Applicable", and "Defer"), and the Rationale for the Disposition can be copied from the form for Agency #1 to the forms for Agency #2...#N.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Courier">7. The Overall Review Coordinator could have difficulty processing the RIDs because spreadsheets are infinitely flexible, and it seems very likely that different agencies might introduce
 local modifications to the sheets that could make them hard to consolidate. We've already seen such things with the WG report Powerpoint templates.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Courier">For your consideration,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">MOIMS <moims-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of "Mario.Merri@esa.int" <Mario.Merri@esa.int><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, February 5, 2018 at 8:58 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"moims@mailman.ccsds.org" <moims@mailman.ccsds.org><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int" <Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[MOIMS] [CESG] Fw: RID template in excel format - for comments<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Dear MOIMS leaders,</span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">
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</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">could you please provide me your comments, if any, to the proposed RID template by Wed end of business? My preliminary comments are below:</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">
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</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">1. General: Not clear what the difference is between the sheet "Agency or Org" and the one "Consolidated Comments", they seem to be identical.</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">
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</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">2. Sheet "General Instructions" Item 5: I do not understand it. I assume this describes the work to be done by the "Agency/Organization RID Coordinator" of item
 4. It is irrelevant to prescribe how the review is conducted internally to an agency. The bottom line is that any agency has to provide a consolidated list of valid RIDs.</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">
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</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">3. I assume that the WG will go through all received RIDs and dispose all of them. To do this, the WG will assign a disposition status in the column "J" by using
 the short definitions in the General Instructions sheet (this will allow sorting/searching for RIDs with a given status). Please note that the terminology used is confusing. For instance "Concur: Reviewer agrees with the recommended change or overall evaluation"
 should read "Concur: WG agrees with the recommended change or overall evaluation". The WG will use column "K" to comment or specify the proposed implementation for that particular RID. Please improved the General Instructions.</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">
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</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">4. Once the WG has disposed all RIDs, it is a requirement of the CCSDS that the dispositions are agreed by the originating RID author. Please add 2 new columns
 with a flag (Agreed/Not Agreed) and an associated comment.</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">
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</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Margherita: we will be a few days late. Sorry.</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">
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</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Regards,</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">
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</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:purple">----- Forwarded by Mario Merri/esoc/ESA on 05/02/2018 17:30 -----</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">
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</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">From:        </span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">
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</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">To:        </span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">
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</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Date:        </span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">31/01/2018
 14:58</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <br>
</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Subject:        </span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">[CESG]
 Fw: RID template in excel format - for comments</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">
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</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Sent by:        </span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"CESG"
 <cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org></span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">
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</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Dear All,</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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last week I issued my first e-mail to the CESG members and... I  took a wrong distribution list.</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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I am now resending that e-mail, hoping to use the right list this time.</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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It;'s about a  RID Template that has been requested by CMC at the last meeting in Darmstadt, and which has been prototyped by David.</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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Please see further details in the attached e-mail. </span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><br>
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Please address that with your WGs, and let me have your comments, if any, by 5th February. I will then be able to report on that at the CMC Telecon on 7th February.</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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Thanks, and kind regards,<br>
Margherita</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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Margherita di Giulio</span></b></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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Data Systems Infrastructure Division (OPS-GI)</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><br>
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European Space Agency ESA/ESOC</span></b></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F"><br>
Robert-Bosch-Str. 5<br>
D-64293 Darmstadt - Germany<br>
Tel: +49-6151-902779<br>
e-mail: Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F"><br>
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----- Forwarded by Margherita di Giulio/esoc/ESA on 31-01-18 14:43 -----</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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From:        </span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Margherita di Giulio/esoc/ESA</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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To:        </span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">CESG <cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org></span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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Date:        </span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">26-01-18 14:57</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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Subject:        </span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">RID template in excel format - for comments</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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Dear All,</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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at the last CMC Meeting it has been proposed to change the RID template to an excell format. This would provide  the possibility to filter according to some criteria, e.g.  by section, or by author, etc.</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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David has produced such template, which the CESG shall evaluate and comment.</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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Please take a look and let me have your comments by 5th February c.o.b.</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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I will then report on  this topic at the CMC telecon .</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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Note: in the table,  one RID shall be entered per row, starting at  row 6 of the excell.</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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Rows 4 and 5 of the table presently contain   the  "RID title ", "RID Short Title", the "Review Date" and the "Disposition Date"  . However , this will be changed -  such that every row ( that is, every RID) will have its own Title, short Title, Review Date
 and Disposition Date - by means of  additional columns.</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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This is a known issue, so please do not comment on that. .</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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Kind regards,<br>
Margherita</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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Margherita di Giulio</span></b></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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