[CMC] RES:Re: CMC - SANA Registry Action

Eduardo Bergamini e.w.bergamini at uol.com.br
Sun Oct 14 03:19:08 UTC 2018

Dear CMC Colleagues,


Following up with all other comments and, specially those comments by JAXA following those from CNES on top of JAXA, I wish to express INPE agreement on the conclusive, proposed



With one additional, important comment, though, considering that SANA is intended to serve not only CCSDS related Members and Observers. That is, be the status of a CCSDS 

document ACTIVE or SILVER, it should be strictly considered by SANA the proper mentioning of ALL CCSDS related documents, as applicable, if any, including the precise mentioning of 

the ISO TC20/SC13 (or else, in ISO domain, in a very few cases) Standard document that is directly correspondent to each of the applicable CCSDS documents, again, be it in SILVER or 

ACTIVE status but, also important, with the AADITION of the information that cites if the ISO document is ACTIVE or NOT ACTIVE, in the exclusive domain of ISO. The immediately 

previous assertion is also necessary because there are ISO documents that are ACTIVE exclusively in ISO domain but NOT (necessarily) ACTIVE (I.e. be it SILVER or, simply, 

DISCONTINUED) in CCSDS domain, anymore. If this aspect is not taken into consideration, to say the least, considerable confusion on the assignment of SANA registries may result, with 

special emphasis for those organizations who may be registering with SANA but that are not, at least, directly, related to CCSDS.


Thanks to Calvin for his relaying of JAXA and other agencies comments.


Thank you.


Best regards,


Information Networks in Space Missions - RME
Instituto Nacional de Pesquisas Espaciais - INPE
Ministry of Science, Technology, Innovations and Communications - MCTIC
Avenida dos Astronautas, 1758
12227-010 São José dos Campos, SP
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Secretariat: +55 12 3208 6165/6603   


De: CMC <cmc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org> Em nome de Soula Jean-Marc
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 11 de outubro de 2018 14:26
Para: Ramos, Calvin T. (HQ-CG000)[Arctic Slope Technical Services, Inc.] <calvin.t.ramos at nasa.gov>; 'cmc at mailman.ccsds.org' <cmc at mailman.ccsds.org>
Cc: 星野 宏和 <hoshino.hirokazu at jaxa.jp>
Assunto: Re: [CMC] CMC - SANA Registry Action


Bonjour CMC


And thank you Calvin for sending the file and JAXA for making a detailed analysis of it.


After JAXA comments, I would add the following ones:


*	I agree that contact and organization registries are not technical and could be handled the old way, i.e. via information on the CCSDS web site.
Glossary doesn’t seem very usefull while “terms” and “abbreviations” should be maintained.


*	While I do not understand why the aperture registry has now been subdivided into three registries (links and sites are new and were part of the previous unique aperture registry), I disagree that this should be handed over to SFCG. Site services registry seem to belong to the same category but was not originally populated by IOAG.
In fact, the original aperture registry was not related to any specific CCSDS standard but was replacing an old GB too difficult to maintain. It was the result of an agreement with IOAG to host their registry on the SANA web site, while IOAG had no such capability. The IOAG data was transferred to CCSDS and now needs to be kept current.
In another elder agreement, SFCG had requested IOAG to maintain such registry for them, while this didn’t really happen: the contents were quite different as SFCG needs are spectrum oriented, while IOAG needs were more performance and services oriented, which is closer to CCSDS interests.
The three current asset registries (+ site services) should be merged and maintained on the CCSDS web site.


*	Concerning other registries, I appreciate the effort of JAXA to identify those referring to standards which are no longer in use (“silverized standards” on the CCSDS web site).
I am puzzled with the high number of registries that seem to refer only to these “silverized” standards and I just wonder why the cleaning was not done upfront to raising this action to the CMC. Do the registries survive after the standards are phased out ? is it because they are in use (in flight missions) and for how long should they remain ? Moreover, is the assumption correct that they should not evolve with new entries ?
Nevertheless, most of these registries were managed by the WG Chairs or Area Directors and they should first be confirmed or not at their level first: most of the data in the registries is still “provisional” and as long as it is not verified if the data refer only to silverized documents or if other reference documents are missing, it is difficult to make decisions.
Then the principles applying to registries related to silverized standards should be explained and in particular the need to keep them alive and living. Maybe the notion of “silverized registries” could be invented = still available but closed to new records, with limited (no?) need for maintenance.


*	After the above clarifications on old standards, decisions may be made but more widely, CNES is of the opinion that 1) any registry related to a standard in force should remain on the web site and 2) any registry related to old standards still in use should remain for a term.


Best regards


Jean-Marc Soula 
Deputy Head of Stations networks and Alert systems Department
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De : CMC <cmc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org <mailto:cmc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org> > De la part de ?? ?
Envoyé : mercredi 10 octobre 2018 11:16
À : Ramos, Calvin T. (HQ-CG000)[Arctic Slope Technical Services, Inc.] <calvin.t.ramos at nasa.gov <mailto:calvin.t.ramos at nasa.gov> >; 'cmc at mailman.ccsds.org' <cmc at mailman.ccsds.org <mailto:cmc at mailman.ccsds.org> >
Cc : 星野 宏和 <hoshino.hirokazu at jaxa.jp <mailto:hoshino.hirokazu at jaxa.jp> >
Objet : Re: [CMC] CMC - SANA Registry Action


Dear Calvin-san and all,


Hereafter, please find the JAXA's findings on the subject of SANA Registry action.

The list below shows the registries which are not mission-focused, not technical, no longer applicable or suitable.


Not mission-focused/Not technical registries:;

*  Contact Roles

*  Contacts

*  Organization Roles

*  Organizations


No longer applicable/suitable registries;


(Referenced documents are historical)

*  Frame Secondary Header Version Number

*  Packet Version Number

*  Proximity-1 Port Identifier

*  Space Link Identifiers Registries

*  Space Packet Protocol Application Process Identifier (APID)

*  Transfer Frame Version Number (TFVN)


(Can be substituted by other database such as SFCG database)

*  Apertures

*  Apertures Links

*  Service Sites and Apertures


The following registries have references to historical documents. Those references should be removed.

*  SCPS-NP Domain Identifier (D-ID)

*  SCPS-NP End System Identifier (ES-ID)

*  SCPS-NP Path Identifier (P-ID)

*  SCPS-NP Transport Protocol Identifier (TP-ID)

*  SCPS-TP Connection Identifier

*  SCPS-TP Extended Capability Binding Space Identifiers

*  CCSDS File Delivery Protocol (CFDP) Entity Identifier 

*  CLCW Version Number

*  Extended Protocol Identifier for Encapsulation Service

*  Internet Protocol Extension Header

*  Multiplexer Access Point Identifier (MAP ID)

*  Protocol Identifier for Encapsulation Service

*  Virtual Channel Identifier (VCID)


We will shortly vote on e-poll of CMC-P-2018 05-001~005.


Best Regards….Shigeta



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Subject: [CMC] CMC - SANA Registry Action


Dear CMC Members,


Since navigating through the SANA website can be challenging, I’ve attached a table with summaries of the approved SANA registries that will hopefully be of value in addressing the action from the last telecon - to determine which items on the list are mission focused technical registries (and which are not).  As a reminder, the action to send in your votes is this Friday, October 5th.  Let me know if you have any questions.






Calvin T. Ramos

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