[CMC] Re: AW: Request to try to recover unused SCIDs from agencies

Juan.Miro at esa.int Juan.Miro at esa.int
Tue Nov 24 07:41:50 UTC 2015

Dear Osvaldo,

I need to check this in ESA


From:   <osvaldo.peinado at dlr.de>
To:     <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>, <Jean-Marc.Soula at cnes.fr>, 
<cmc at mailman.ccsds.org>
Cc:     <info at sanaregistry.org>, <juan.miro at esa.int>, 
<Harald.Ernst at esa.int>
Date:   23/11/2015 10:50
Subject:        AW: Request to try to recover unused SCIDs from agencies

Hi Peter, I asked the projects about the SIM, EM or FM SCIDs and they are 
still using them for different test and simulations, but only on the 
I think we talk about that, if these numbers are assigned to satellites 
should not be a conflict, or I´m wrong?
Because they do not want to modify the running systems, that I can 
Checking the DLR list, there are not changes in the registered missions 
since the last revision in Summer.
Because I was heavily involved in the ATV project I can see that till AVT9 
are still assigned, but is registered under ESA (not CNES nor DLR)
@ Juan or Harald, can all these ID given back?
Best Regards
Von: cmc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:cmc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org] 
Im Auftrag von Shames, Peter M (312B)
Gesendet: Samstag, 21. November 2015 20:23
An: Soula Jean-Marc; CMC
Cc: Space Assigned Numbers Authority
Betreff: [CMC] Re: Request to try to recover unused SCIDs from agencies
Bonjour Jean-Marc,
I think that the first role of the agencies should be to ?police? their 
own list of satellites.   Once that is done, as you have indicated you 
have already done for CNES, then I think it might be useful for everyone 
to voice ?suspicions on the ?no-longer-in-operations-satellites?? of other 
agencies as well.   I think you mentioned the NASA Space Shuttles during 
our CMC meeting and that seems like an obvious case in point.
On the other subject, we agreed to allow time for the agencies to consider 
the impact on their ground data systems from returning simulator SCIDs and 
also to look at the issue of utilizing some other identifiers than the 
SCID to track data during ground processing.  I agreed to send out a 
request to that effect and will do so early next week.
Best regards, Peter
From: Jean-Marc Soula <Jean-Marc.Soula at cnes.fr>
Date: Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 5:07 AM
To: Peter Shames <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: Space Assigned Numbers Authority <info at sanaregistry.org>
Subject: RE: Request to try to recover unused SCIDs from agencies
Bonjour Peter
To be sure of your request, could you please clarify if each of us should 
have a look at the whole list and express suspicions on the 
?no-longer-in-operations-satellites?, or if we just check the satellites 
of our own agency?
In the second case, the action is closed for CNES as we made this process 
a periodic one that we conduct at least once a year.
I also have continuous actions with some satellite operators for whom CNES 
had requested and got assigned GSCId?s. One of these actions resulted in 
the  identification last summer of about 20 V1 codes authorized for 
cancellation by Eutelsat. As those codes were requested by ESA and not 
CNES I have passed the list to Juan Miro who should confirm to SANA.
Concerning the Id?s for simulators, there are some of them assigned to 
CNES projects and I would like to have some time to talk to the projects 
before they are removed from the list. As most of the simulators use V1 
GSCId?s, I believe the action to remove simulators from the list may be 
delayed. Anyway, the action opened at CMC level should give me enough time 
to establish an agency statement on these cases.
Let me know if more is required.
Best regards
Jean-Marc Soula
Advisor, GN Operations
18 Avenue Edouard Belin
31401 Toulouse Cedex 9 - France
Tel.: +33 (0)5 61 2 74647
Fax.: +33 (0)5 61 2 73135
Email: Jean-Marc.Soula at cnes.fr
De : cmc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:cmc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org] 
De la part de Shames, Peter M (312B)
Envoyé : mardi 17 novembre 2015 09:33
À : Space Assigned Numbers Authority
Cc : CMC; CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec
Objet : [CMC] Request to try to recover unused SCIDs from agencies
Importance : Haute
Dear SANA,
Based on discussions in the 16 Nov 2015 joint CMC / CESG meeting we have a 
request for you.  There is increasing sense of urgency that we do 
something (relatively) quickly to avoid exhausting the available SCIDs. We 
wish to request that you try again to recover SCIDs for spacraft that are 
no longer being actively communicated with.  The specific request is that 
you do the following:
1.      Prepare for each agency the list of their spacecraft that have 
assigned SCIDs.
2.      Indicate which of these spacecraft that we believe are no longer 
operational, such as all the NASA Space Shuttles.
3.      Send the list for each agency to the Agency Head?s of Delegation 
(the CMC members) and also the identified Agency Representatives who have 
authority to request / rescind SCIDs.
4.      Describe the urgency with this request and ask that they identify 
all of the spacecraft that are no longer operational or being actively 
communicated with.
5.      Ask that they reply within one (1) month.
We recognize that we have done something like this in the past, with 
limited success.  Regardless we would like to try it again and we are 
asking the CMC members to assist in getting this done.  If needed we will 
contact each of these Agency Representatives directly, and in person.
Please let us know when you will be able to start this.
Thanks, Peter

Peter Shames
CCSDS System Engineering Area Director

Jet Propulsion Laboratory, MS 301-490
California Institute of Technology
Pasadena, CA 91109 USA 

Telephone: +1 818 354-5740,  Fax: +1 818 393-6871

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