<font size=2 face="sans-serif">Dear Osvaldo,</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I need to check this in ESA</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Regards</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Juan</font>
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<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">From:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif"><osvaldo.peinado@dlr.de></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">To:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif"><peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov>,
<Jean-Marc.Soula@cnes.fr>, <cmc@mailman.ccsds.org></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Cc:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif"><info@sanaregistry.org>,
<juan.miro@esa.int>, <Harald.Ernst@esa.int></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Date:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">23/11/2015 10:50</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Subject:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">AW: Request
to try to recover unused SCIDs from agencies</font>
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<hr noshade>
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<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">Hi Peter, I asked the projects
about the SIM, EM or FM SCIDs and they are still using them for different
test and simulations, but only on the earth.</font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">I think we talk about that,
if these numbers are assigned to satellites should not be a conflict, or
I´m wrong?</font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">Because they do not want to
modify the running systems, that I can understand.</font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">Checking the DLR list, there
are not changes in the registered missions since the last revision in Summer.</font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">Because I was heavily involved
in the ATV project I can see that till AVT9 are still assigned, but is
registered under ESA (not CNES nor DLR)</font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">@ Juan or Harald, can all
these ID given back?</font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">Best Regards</font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">Osvaldo</font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 face="Tahoma"><b>Von:</b> cmc-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org
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<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Shames, Peter M (312B)<b><br>
Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 21. November 2015 20:23<b><br>
An:</b> Soula Jean-Marc; CMC<b><br>
Cc:</b> Space Assigned Numbers Authority<b><br>
Betreff:</b> [CMC] Re: Request to try to recover unused SCIDs from agencies</font>
<p><font size=3> </font>
<p><font size=2 face="Calibri">Bonjour Jean-Marc,</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 face="Calibri">I think that the first role of the agencies
should be to “police” their own list of satellites. Once that
is done, as you have indicated you have already done for CNES, then I think
it might be useful for everyone to voice “</font><font size=3 color=#004080 face="Calibri">suspicions
on the “no-longer-in-operations-satellites”</font><font size=2 face="Calibri">”
of other agencies as well. I think you mentioned the NASA Space
Shuttles during our CMC meeting and that seems like an obvious case in
point.</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 face="Calibri">On the other subject, we agreed to allow
time for the agencies to consider the impact on their ground data systems
from returning simulator SCIDs and also to look at the issue of utilizing
some other identifiers than the SCID to track data during ground processing.
I agreed to send out a request to that effect and will do so early
next week.</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 face="Calibri">Best regards, Peter</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 face="Calibri"><b>From: </b>Jean-Marc Soula <</font><a href="mailto:Jean-Marc.Soula@cnes.fr"><font size=2 color=blue face="Calibri"><u>Jean-Marc.Soula@cnes.fr</u></font></a><font size=2 face="Calibri">><b><br>
Date: </b>Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 5:07 AM<b><br>
To: </b>Peter Shames <</font><a href=mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><font size=2 color=blue face="Calibri"><u>peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</u></font></a><font size=2 face="Calibri">><b><br>
Cc: </b>Space Assigned Numbers Authority <</font><a href=mailto:info@sanaregistry.org><font size=2 color=blue face="Calibri"><u>info@sanaregistry.org</u></font></a><font size=2 face="Calibri">><b><br>
Subject: </b>RE: Request to try to recover unused SCIDs from agencies</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">Bonjour Peter</font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">To be sure of your request,
could you please clarify if each of us should have a look at the whole
list and express suspicions on the “no-longer-in-operations-satellites”,
or if we just check the satellites of our own agency?</font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">In the second case, the action
is closed for CNES as we made this process a periodic one that we conduct
at least once a year.</font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">I also have continuous actions
with some satellite operators for whom CNES had requested and got assigned
GSCId’s. One of these actions resulted in the identification last
summer of about 20 V1 codes authorized for cancellation by Eutelsat. As
those codes were requested by ESA and not CNES I have passed the list to
Juan Miro who should confirm to SANA.</font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">Concerning the Id’s for simulators,
there are some of them assigned to CNES projects and I would like to have
some time to talk to the projects before they are removed from the list.
As most of the simulators use V1 GSCId’s, I believe the action to remove
simulators from the list may be delayed. Anyway, the action opened at CMC
level should give me enough time to establish an agency statement on these
cases.</font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">Let me know if more is required.</font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">Best regards</font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Book Antiqua"><i>Jean-Marc Soula<br>
CNES - DCT/OP/C-STA<br>
Advisor, GN Operations<br>
18 Avenue Edouard Belin<br>
31401 Toulouse Cedex 9 - France<br>
Tel.: +33 (0)5 61 2 74647<br>
Fax.: +33 (0)5 61 2 73135<br>
Email: </i></font><a href="mailto:Jean-Marc.Soula@cnes.fr"><font size=2 color=blue face="Book Antiqua"><i><u>Jean-Marc.Soula@cnes.fr</u></i></font></a>
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<b>De la part de</b> Shames, Peter M (312B)<b><br>
Envoyé :</b> mardi 17 novembre 2015 09:33<b><br>
À :</b> Space Assigned Numbers Authority<b><br>
Cc :</b> CMC; CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec<b><br>
Objet :</b> [CMC] Request to try to recover unused SCIDs from agencies<b><br>
Importance :</b> Haute</font>
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<p><font size=2 face="Calibri">Dear SANA,</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 face="Calibri">Based on discussions in the 16 Nov 2015
joint CMC / CESG meeting we have a request for you. There is increasing
sense of urgency that we do something (relatively) quickly to avoid exhausting
the available SCIDs. We wish to request that you try again to recover
SCIDs for spacraft that are no longer being actively communicated with.
The specific request is that you do the following:</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">1. </font><font size=2 face="Calibri">Prepare
for each agency the list of their spacecraft that have assigned SCIDs.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">2. </font><font size=2 face="Calibri">Indicate
which of these spacecraft that we believe are no longer operational, such
as all the NASA Space Shuttles.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">3. </font><font size=2 face="Calibri">Send
the list for each agency to the Agency Head’s of Delegation (the CMC members)
and also the identified Agency Representatives who have authority to request
/ rescind SCIDs.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">4. </font><font size=2 face="Calibri">Describe
the urgency with this request and ask that they identify all of the spacecraft
that are no longer operational or being actively communicated with.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">5. </font><font size=2 face="Calibri">Ask
that they reply within one (1) month.</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Calibri">We recognize that we have done something
like this in the past, with limited success. Regardless we would
like to try it again and we are asking the CMC members to assist in getting
this done. If needed we will contact each of these Agency Representatives
directly, and in person.</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 face="Calibri">Please let us know when you will be able
to start this.</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 face="Calibri">Thanks, Peter</font>
<p><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<p><font size=2 face="sans-serif">________________________________________________________<br>
<br>
Peter Shames<br>
CCSDS System Engineering Area Director<br>
<br>
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, MS 301-490<br>
California Institute of Technology<br>
Pasadena, CA 91109 USA <br>
<br>
Telephone: +1 818 354-5740, Fax: +1 818 393-6871<br>
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Internet: </font><a href=Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov><font size=2 color=blue face="sans-serif"><u>Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov</u></font></a><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
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