[CMC] Re: AW: Request to try to recover unused SCIDs from agencies

Mon Nov 23 15:54:40 UTC 2015

Hi Osvaldo,

Thanks for looking into this.

In regard the SIM, EM, FM SCIDs there is no reason for the missions to change what they are doing on the ground.  The process works for them and nothing that they do terrestrially, without using free space radiation, can possibly cause any issue.

That said, since they are not doing any free space radiation using these SCIDs then we would likt to recover them so that they can be used for real space communications. There will be absolutely no conflict between any isolated use on the ground and actual use in space.

We will, however, place any of these relinquished SCIDs "at the bottom of the heap” for re-assignment.  This has been our policy.

Would you please take the steps to formally relinquish these SCIDs?

Hopefully Juan and/or Harald will do the same for the ATV project SCIDs.

Thanks, Peter

From: "osvaldo.peinado at dlr.de<mailto:osvaldo.peinado at dlr.de>" <osvaldo.peinado at dlr.de<mailto:osvaldo.peinado at dlr.de>>
Date: Monday, November 23, 2015 at 1:50 AM
To: Peter Shames <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>>, Jean-Marc Soula <Jean-Marc.Soula at cnes.fr<mailto:Jean-Marc.Soula at cnes.fr>>, CMC <cmc at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:cmc at mailman.ccsds.org>>
Cc: "info at sanaregistry.org<mailto:info at sanaregistry.org>" <info at sanaregistry.org<mailto:info at sanaregistry.org>>, Juan Miro <juan.miro at esa.int<mailto:juan.miro at esa.int>>, "Harald.Ernst at esa.int<mailto:Harald.Ernst at esa.int>" <Harald.Ernst at esa.int<mailto:Harald.Ernst at esa.int>>
Subject: AW: Request to try to recover unused SCIDs from agencies

Hi Peter, I asked the projects about the SIM, EM or FM SCIDs and they are still using them for different test and simulations, but only on the earth.
I think we talk about that, if these numbers are assigned to satellites should not be a conflict, or I´m wrong?
Because they do not want to modify the running systems, that I can understand.
Checking the DLR list, there are not changes in the registered missions since the last revision in Summer.
Because I was heavily involved in the ATV project I can see that till AVT9 are still assigned, but is registered under ESA (not CNES nor DLR)
@ Juan or Harald, can all these ID given back?
Best Regards
Osvaldo

Von: cmc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:cmc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org> [mailto:cmc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org] Im Auftrag von Shames, Peter M (312B)
Gesendet: Samstag, 21. November 2015 20:23
An: Soula Jean-Marc; CMC
Cc: Space Assigned Numbers Authority
Betreff: [CMC] Re: Request to try to recover unused SCIDs from agencies

Bonjour Jean-Marc,

I think that the first role of the agencies should be to “police” their own list of satellites.   Once that is done, as you have indicated you have already done for CNES, then I think it might be useful for everyone to voice “suspicions on the “no-longer-in-operations-satellites”” of other agencies as well.   I think you mentioned the NASA Space Shuttles during our CMC meeting and that seems like an obvious case in point.

On the other subject, we agreed to allow time for the agencies to consider the impact on their ground data systems from returning simulator SCIDs and also to look at the issue of utilizing some other identifiers than the SCID to track data during ground processing.  I agreed to send out a request to that effect and will do so early next week.

Best regards, Peter

From: Jean-Marc Soula <Jean-Marc.Soula at cnes.fr<mailto:Jean-Marc.Soula at cnes.fr>>
Date: Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 5:07 AM
To: Peter Shames <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>>
Cc: Space Assigned Numbers Authority <info at sanaregistry.org<mailto:info at sanaregistry.org>>
Subject: RE: Request to try to recover unused SCIDs from agencies

Bonjour Peter

To be sure of your request, could you please clarify if each of us should have a look at the whole list and express suspicions on the “no-longer-in-operations-satellites”, or if we just check the satellites of our own agency?

In the second case, the action is closed for CNES as we made this process a periodic one that we conduct at least once a year.
I also have continuous actions with some satellite operators for whom CNES had requested and got assigned GSCId’s. One of these actions resulted in the  identification last summer of about 20 V1 codes authorized for cancellation by Eutelsat. As those codes were requested by ESA and not CNES I have passed the list to Juan Miro who should confirm to SANA.

Concerning the Id’s for simulators, there are some of them assigned to CNES projects and I would like to have some time to talk to the projects before they are removed from the list. As most of the simulators use V1 GSCId’s, I believe the action to remove simulators from the list may be delayed. Anyway, the action opened at CMC level should give me enough time to establish an agency statement on these cases.

Let me know if more is required.

Best regards

Jean-Marc Soula
CNES - DCT/OP/C-STA
Advisor, GN Operations
18 Avenue Edouard Belin
31401 Toulouse Cedex 9 - France
Tel.: +33 (0)5 61 2 74647
Fax.: +33 (0)5 61 2 73135
Email: Jean-Marc.Soula at cnes.fr<mailto:Jean-Marc.Soula at cnes.fr>
De :cmc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:cmc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org> [mailto:cmc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org] De la part de Shames, Peter M (312B)
Envoyé : mardi 17 novembre 2015 09:33
À : Space Assigned Numbers Authority
Cc : CMC; CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec
Objet : [CMC] Request to try to recover unused SCIDs from agencies
Importance : Haute

Dear SANA,

Based on discussions in the 16 Nov 2015 joint CMC / CESG meeting we have a request for you.  There is increasing sense of urgency that we do something (relatively) quickly to avoid exhausting the available SCIDs.  We wish to request that you try again to recover SCIDs for spacraft that are no longer being actively communicated with.  The specific request is that you do the following:

  1.  Prepare for each agency the list of their spacecraft that have assigned SCIDs.
  2.  Indicate which of these spacecraft that we believe are no longer operational, such as all the NASA Space Shuttles.
  3.  Send the list for each agency to the Agency Head’s of Delegation (the CMC members) and also the identified Agency Representatives who have authority to request / rescind SCIDs.
  4.  Describe the urgency with this request and ask that they identify all of the spacecraft that are no longer operational or being actively communicated with.
  5.  Ask that they reply within one (1) month.
We recognize that we have done something like this in the past, with limited success.  Regardless we would like to try it again and we are asking the CMC members to assist in getting this done.  If needed we will contact each of these Agency Representatives directly, and in person.

Please let us know when you will be able to start this.

Thanks, Peter

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Peter Shames
CCSDS System Engineering Area Director

Jet Propulsion Laboratory, MS 301-490
California Institute of Technology
Pasadena, CA 91109 USA

Telephone: +1 818 354-5740,  Fax: +1 818 393-6871

Internet:  Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov
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