[CESG] CESG-P-2022-04-002 Approval to publish CCSDS 141.10-O-1, Optical High Data Rate (HDR) Communication—1550 NM (Orange Book, Issue 1)

[CCSDS Secretariat]

Dear CESG Members,

Conditions for approval of CCSDS 141.10-O-1, 
Optical High Data Rate (HDR) Communication—1550 
NM (Orange Book, Issue 1) have been disposed to 
the satisfaction of the AD(s) who voted to 
approve with conditions. The Secretariat will now 
proceed with CMC polling to authorize publication.
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From:	Barkley, Erik J (US 3970) <erik.j.barkley at jpl.nasa.gov>
Sent:	Monday, May 23, 2022 5:41 PM
To:	Edwards, Bernard L. (GSFC-5600); Braatz, Lena E. (HQ-CG000)[BOOZ ALLEN 
HAMILTON]; Robinson, Bryan (GSFC-450.0)[MIT]; Hamkins, Jon (US 3300)
Cc:	Clemens.Heese at esa.int; Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int; 
thomas.gannett at tgannett.net
Subject:	RE: RESPONSE: Re: CESG-P-2022-04-002 Approval to publish CCSDS 141.10-O-
1, Optical High Data Rate (HDR) Communication-1550 NM (Orange Book, 
Issue 1)

Follow Up Flag:	Follow up
Flag Status:	Flagged

Categories:	Poll Condition Closure

Hi Bernie,

Thank you and everyone else for the follow-up.  Yes this is in-line with what my research turned 
up, so it looks good to me.  My condition is now retired.

Best regards,
-Erik

From: Edwards, Bernard L. (GSFC-5600) <bernard.l.edwards at nasa.gov>  
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2022 14:28 
To: Braatz, Lena E. (HQ-CG000)[BOOZ ALLEN HAMILTON] <lena.e.braatz at nasa.gov>; Robinson, Bryan 
(GSFC-450.0)[MIT] <brobinson at ll.mit.edu>; Hamkins, Jon (US 3300) <jon.hamkins at jpl.nasa.gov>; 
Barkley, Erik J (US 3970) <erik.j.barkley at jpl.nasa.gov> 
Cc: Clemens.Heese at esa.int; Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int; thomas.gannett at tgannett.net 
Subject: RESPONSE: Re: CESG-P-2022-04-002 Approval to publish CCSDS 141.10-O-1, Optical High Data 
Rate (HDR) Communication-1550 NM (Orange Book, Issue 1)

Hi Erik,

I just want to make sure you are good with the suggested changes below so that we can continue 
processing of this book for publication.  Let us know if you still have an issue.

Thanks,
Bernie Edwards

From: Braatz, Lena E. (HQ-CG000)[BOOZ ALLEN HAMILTON] <lena.e.braatz at nasa.gov>  
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 9:22 AM 
To: Robinson, Bryan (GSFC-450.0)[MIT] <brobinson at ll.mit.edu>; Hamkins, Jon (JPL-3300)[JPL Employee] 
<jon.hamkins at jpl.nasa.gov>; Edwards, Bernard L. (GSFC-5600) <bernard.l.edwards at nasa.gov> 
Cc: Barkley, Erik J (JPL-3970)[JPL Employee] <erik.j.barkley at jpl.nasa.gov> 
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: ACTION: Re: CESG-P-2022-04-002 Approval to publish CCSDS 141.10-O-1, 
Optical High Data Rate (HDR) Communication-1550 NM (Orange Book, Issue 1)

Hello all,

We submitted the HDR 1550 nm Orange Book to the publication process on March 16, and so I no 
longer have control of the document contents. However, according to the email chain below, I believe 
Tom Gannett can make the changes if he is notified that Erik agrees with the proposed new wording. 
Please correct me, if I’m in error.

Best regards,
Lena
434-973-4453

From: Robinson, Bryan - 0667 - MITLL <brobinson at ll.mit.edu>  
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 9:05 AM 
To: Hamkins, Jon (JPL-3300)[JPL Employee] <jon.hamkins at jpl.nasa.gov>; Edwards, Bernard L. (GSFC-
5600) <bernard.l.edwards at nasa.gov> 
Cc: Braatz, Lena E. (HQ-CG000)[BOOZ ALLEN HAMILTON] <lena.e.braatz at nasa.gov>; Barkley, Erik J (JPL-
3970)[JPL Employee] <erik.j.barkley at jpl.nasa.gov> 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: ACTION: Re: CESG-P-2022-04-002 Approval to publish CCSDS 141.10-O-1, 
Optical High Data Rate (HDR) Communication-1550 NM (Orange Book, Issue 1)

Erik, 

Thanks for checking on this.

Jon,

Thanks for the Sisvel info.  It does appear that Sisvel is now the place to go for DVB licensing info (they 
are now referenced as the license source by ETSI).

Lena,

Can you update section C3 to say:

Implementers of this Recommended Standard should be aware that DVB -S2 is covered by a set of 
patents for which licensing information may be obtained from Sisvel: https://www.sisvel.com/licensing-
programs/digital-video-display-technology/dvb-s2/introduction

Thanks,

Bryan


From: Jon Hamkins <Jon.Hamkins at jpl.nasa.gov>  
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2022 7:41 PM 
To: Edwards, Bernard L. (GSFC-5600) <bernard.l.edwards at nasa.gov>; Robinson, Bryan - 0667 - MITLL 
<brobinson at ll.mit.edu> 
Cc: Braatz, Lena E. (HQ-CG000)[BOOZ ALLEN HAMILTON] <lena.e.braatz at nasa.gov>; Barkley, Erik J (JPL-
3970)[JPL Employee] <erik.j.barkley at jpl.nasa.gov> 
Subject: Re: ACTION: Re: CESG-P-2022-04-002 Approval to publish CCSDS 141.10-O-1, Optical High Data 
Rate (HDR) Communication-1550 NM (Orange Book, Issue 1)

The DVB-S2 licensing language in the Orange Book is copied directly from the Blue Book 
CCSDS 131.3-B-2, "CCSDS Space Link Protocols over ETSI DVB-S2 Standard", published in 
April 2022.
It is possible that the licensing information is outdated. Erik mentioned DTVG, which is one of 
the IP owners. I recall there were so many patents at issue in DVB-S2 that they set up a licensing 
consortium to make the licensing easy. DTVG does not do the licensing. It looks like it is now 
being handled by Sisvel. For license terms, see https://www.sisvel.com/licensing-
programs/digital-video-display-technology/dvb-s2/license-terms.
Bryan could probably update the wording and contact address in the Orange Book with the 
appropriate information from Sisvel. It may also be helpful to put in a corrigendum for the same 
thing, in the CCSDS DVB-S2 blue book.
     ----Jon
Jon Hamkins 
Lead Technologist, Communications, Tracking, and Radar Division 
O 818-354-4764   |   M 626-658-6220 
 
JPL   |   jpl.nasa.gov
On 5/13/2022 3:27 PM, Edwards, Bernard L. (GSFC-5600) wrote:
Bryan, Jon 

We need to check this issue and get back to Erik Barkley quickly.  I have cc’d him here in 
case we have any questions. 

Bernie

 
Begin Forwarded Message: 
From: "CCSDS Secretariat" <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net> 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: CESG-P-2022-04-002 Approval to publish 
CCSDS 141.10-O-1, Optical High Data Rate (HDR) Communication-1550 
NM (Orange Book, Issue 1) 
Date: 13 May 2022 17:40 
To: "Edwards, Bernard L. (GSFC-5600)" <bernard.l.edwards at nasa.gov>, 
"Robert.Daddato at esa.int" <Robert.Daddato at esa.int> 
Cc: "Erik.Barkley at jpl.nasa.gov" <Erik.Barkley at jpl.nasa.gov>
Dear Document Rapporteur, 
 
The CESG poll to approve publication of CCSDS  
141.10-O-1, Optical High Data Rate (HDR)  
Communication—1550 NM (Orange Book, Issue 1)  
concluded with conditions. Please negotiate  
disposition of the conditions directly with the  
AD(s) who voted to approve with conditions and CC  
the Secretariat on all related correspondence. 
 
 
CESG E-Poll Identifier:  CESG-P-2022-04-002  
Approval to publish CCSDS 141.10-O-1, Optical  
High Data Rate (HDR) Communication—1550 NM (Orange Book, Issue 1) 
Results of CESG poll beginning 28 April 2022 and ending 12 May 2022: 
 
                 Abstain:  2 (33.33%) (Merri, Duhaze) 
Approve Unconditionally:  3 (50%) (Aguilar Sanchez, Moury, Wilmot) 
Approve with Conditions:  1 (16.67%) (Barkley) 
Disapprove with Comment:  0 (0%) 
CONDITIONS/COMMENTS: 
 
     Erik Barkley (Approve with Conditions):  I  
was unable to confirm good information re  
licensing of DVB-S2.  The document indicates "S2  
Licensing" with a US address and email address  
for obtaining a license.  Googling for S2  
licensing turns up a press release from  
2008.  There appears to be no DNS records for  
"S2licensing.com".  Googling the phone number  
listed in the document indicates it to be the  
office of "Bayside Law" with a different street  
address than listed in the document.  Further  
searching tends to indicate licensing being done  
via DTVG licensing (see  
https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2F
www.sisvel.com%2Flicensing-programs%2Fdigital-video-display-
technology%2Fdvb-s2%2Fpatent-
owners&data=05%7C01%7Cbernard.l.edwards%40nasa.gov%7C6e
d95f47b41146b5832308da352942df%7C7005d45845be48ae8140d43da
96dd17b%7C0%7C0%7C637880748585733826%7CUnknown%7CTWFpb
GZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJ
XVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=V7b8qDVt4MCEuCpb
FSAKyRl%2BWee38vyCoDTsK5zgyoQ%3D&reserved=0)  
among others. 
 
My request is that the information be checked --  
my concern is that the CCSDS document, albeit  
experimintal, may not be providing correct  
information should an organization choose to implement this standard. 
 
 
Total Respondents:  6 
 
No response was received from the following Area(s): 
 
     SEA 
     SIS 
 
 
 
SECRETARIAT INTERPRETATION OF RESULTS:  Approved with Conditions 
PROPOSED SECRETARIAT ACTION:            Generate  
CMC poll after conditions have been addressed 
 
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