[CESG] CESG-P-2022-04-003 Approval to release CCSDS 504.0-P-1.1, Attitude Data Messages (Pink Book, Issue 1.1) for CCSDS Agency review

Wed May 25 16:12:45 UTC 2022

Dear CESG Members,

Conditions for approval of CCSDS 504.0-P-1.1, Attitude Data Messages 
(Pink Book, Issue 1.1) have been disposed to the satisfaction of the 
AD(s) who voted to approve with conditions. The Secretariat will now 
proceed with CMC polling to authorize release for Agency review.
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From:	Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int
Sent:	Tuesday, May 17, 2022 4:42 AM
To:	Miles Gannett
Cc:	david.s.berry at jpl.nasa.gov; Thomas Gannett
Subject:	Re: CESG-P-2022-04-003 Approval to release CCSDS 504.0-P-1.1, 
Attitude Data Messages (Pink Book, Issue 1.1) for CCSDS Agency review

Categories:	Poll Condition Closure

Much appreciated, Miles.  

Kind regards,  

Ignacio  

Ignacio Aguilar Sánchez  
Communication Systems Engineer  
Electrical Engineering Department  

European Space Research and Technology Centre 
Keplerlaan 1, PO Box 299, 2200 AG Noordwijk, The Netherlands  
Tel. (31) 71 565 5695  
Fax (31) 71 565 5418  
Email: ignacio.aguilar.sanchez at esa.int 
www.esa.int  

From:        "Miles Gannett" <miles.gannett at logothete.net>  
To:        "Thomas Gannett" <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>  
Cc:        Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int, david.s.berry at jpl.nasa.gov  
Date:        16/05/2022 20:04  
Subject:        Re: CESG-P-2022-04-003 Approval to release CCSDS 504.0-P-1.1, Attitude Data Messages (Pink 
Book, Issue 1.1) for CCSDS Agency review 

Dear Ignacio,  

I made the requested change when I saw your first email. Consistency of terms is one of the 
things I always look at in documents. I would probably have noticed that particular inconsistency 
and changed it on my own since it's the only instance of that term appearing without quotes in 
the book, but it's good to know with certainty which one is correct/preferred.  

Thanks,  

Miles  

On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 11:44 AM Thomas Gannett <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net> wrote:  
Dear Ignacio:  

It has been my habit in recent years to submit documents to CESG polling for technical approval while at 
the same time handing them over to Miles for copyediting. It makes sense to me to conduct polling and 
editing in parallel, since it speeds things up, at least when documents are not stalled in CESG polling for 
purely editorial matters.  

I always appreciate it when a CESG member suggests an editorial improvement to a document, but 
ordinarily that can be done without invoking the very formal approve with conditions procedure, 
which can hold up a document for weeks or months. You should be aware that many editorial aspects of 
documents change between CESG polling and release.  

The document in question is currently being edited by Miles, and I expect there will be a number of 
editorial improvements to it before it is released for agency review. I have full confidence that Miles will 
choose an optimal, consistent representation of the term KVN and its definition, and that may very well 
agree with what you like; I leave it to his judgement, however.  

If you prefer to wait until Miles has completed his edit to decide whether the document can proceed to 
CMC polling and agency review, that is your prerogative, of course.  

Best regards,  
Tom  

Logothete, L.L.C.  
thomas.gannett at tgannett.net  
+1 443 472 0805  

From: Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int [mailto:Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int]  
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 3:28 AM 
To: Thomas Gannett 
Cc: david.s.berry at jpl.nasa.gov 
Subject: Re: CESG-P-2022-04-003 Approval to release CCSDS 504.0-P-1.1, Attitude Data Messages (Pink 
Book, Issue 1.1) for CCSDS Agency review  

Dear Tom,  

Just to be sure we understand each other.  

Are you proposing  

'Keyword = Value' Notation  

or  

'Keyword Value' Notation  

?  

I would like the first option but as per the first statement of your e-mail below I understand your proposal 
is for the second option.  

Kind regards,  

Ignacio  

Ignacio Aguilar Sánchez  
Communication Systems Engineer  
Electrical Engineering Department  

European Space Research and Technology Centre 
Keplerlaan 1, PO Box 299, 2200 AG Noordwijk, The Netherlands  
Tel. (31) 71 565 5695  
Fax (31) 71 565 5418  
Email: ignacio.aguilar.sanchez at esa.int 
www.esa.int  

From:        "Thomas Gannett" <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>  
To:        Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int  
Cc:        david.s.berry at jpl.nasa.gov  
Date:        13/05/2022 23:58  
Subject:        Re: CESG-P-2022-04-003 Approval to release CCSDS 504.0-P-1.1,  Attitude Data Messages (Pink 
Book, Issue 1.1) for CCSDS Agency review 

Dear Ignacio: 

I will add quotes in the definition of the term KVN in the annex. 

Concerning your remarks under SUPPORTING ANALYSIS, the abbreviation  
KVN is well established in Navigation as well as other documents, and  
it would create inconsistency among CCSDS documents to change the  
term itself in this document. Also, it would be highly unusual to add  
extraneous punctuation to an abbreviation; it is consistent with  
Publications Manual requirements in its present form. 

Please indicate by return email if your poll condition is satisfied. 

Best regards, 
Tom 

CESG E-Poll Identifier:  CESG-P-2022-04-003 Approval to release CCSDS  
504.0-P-1.1, Attitude Data Messages (Pink Book, Issue 1.1) for CCSDS  
Agency review 
Results of CESG poll beginning 28 April 2022 and ending 12 May 2022: 

                Abstain:  0 (0%) Approve Unconditionally:  4 (80%)  
(Barkley, Merri, Duhaze, Wilmot) 
Approve with Conditions:  1 (20%) (Aguilar Sanchez) 
Disapprove with Comment:  0 (0%) 
CONDITIONS/COMMENTS: 

    Erik Barkley (Approve Unconditionally):   Minor  
commentary/question only -- the document looks good, quite ready for  
agency review. 
I am curious if the Abstract Event Defintion (CCSDS 902.13-M-1) was  
considered for this version of the document. 
    Ignacio Aguilar Sanchez (Approve with Conditions):  MInor  
editorial suggestion. Unfortunately, the upload of the corresponding  
PID file does not work for this reviewer. Hence, I am pasting the  
content of the PID file hereafter. 
       CESG POLL ITEM DISPOSITION (PID) INITIATION FORM 

AREA PID NUMBER:        SLS 
SUBMITTING AREA:        SLS 
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REVIEWER'S NAME:        I. AGUILAR SANCHEZ 
E-MAIL ADDRESS:         ignacio.aguilar.sanchez at esa.int 
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DOCUMENT NUMBER:   CCSDS 504.0-P-1.0 
DOCUMENT NAME:     Attitude Data Messages 
DATE ISSUED:       April 2022 
PAGE NUMBER:   D-1                PARAGRAPH NUMBER:  N/A 
PID SHORT TITLE:   KVN acronym definition 
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DESCRIPTION OF REQUESTED CHANGE:  (Use From: "..." To "..." format) 

ANNEX D 

From: 

KVN Keyword = Value Notation 

To: 

KVN 'Keyword = Value' Notation 

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CATEGORY OF REQUESTED CHANGE: 
    Technical Fact ___    Recommended ___    Editorial _X_ 
NOTES: 
TECHNICAL FACT:  Major technical change of sufficient magnitude as to 
render the Recommendation inaccurate and unacceptable if not 
corrected.  (Supporting analysis/rationale is essential.) 
RECOMMENDED:  Change of a nature that would, if incorporated, produce 
a marked improvement in document quality and acceptance. 
EDITORIAL:  Typographical or other factual error needing correction. 
(This type of change will be made without feedback to submitter.) 
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SUPPORTING ANALYSIS: 

The acronym is described in 6.7.1 as per proposed change ('Keyword =  
Value' Notation). 
It seems the most accurate description found in the document. 
The Publications Manual (5.3.3.6) requires agreement with the  
definition found in text. 
However, it is unclear to this reviewer if such description is  
compatible with the Publications Manual. 
Can the character ' be included in an acronym definition? 
If possible, would suggest to change. 

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DISPOSITION: 

Total Respondents:  5 

No response was received from the following Area(s): 

    SEA 
    SIS 

SECRETARIAT INTERPRETATION OF RESULTS:  Approved with Conditions 
PROPOSED SECRETARIAT ACTION:            Generate CMC poll after  
conditions have been addressed 

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Thomas Gannett 
thomas.gannett at tgannett.net 
+1 443 472 0805 

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