[CESG] [EXTERNAL] Re: SEA-R-2019-05-01 Initiate the poll to approve creation of the Time Management WG

Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int
Fri May 24 13:26:18 UTC 2019


Margherita,
Peter,
        just to be clear, having attended at AMES (part of) the meeting on 
Monday morning,  I do not see a problem with the creation of the WG, but 
the poll as formulated in CWE is formally incomplete.

Clause 5.5.1.1.1 of Org&Porc https://public.ccsds.org/Pubs/A02x1y4c2.pdf 
requires that "Charters, in conjunction with at least one project (see 
5.5.2), shall be created for the purpose of establishing working groups."

Actually the Poll we see on web has only one attachment; i.e. the link 
https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Charters/DispForm.aspx?ID=92 to the CWE 
Charter and no attachment/link to the CWE Project that will start together 
with the WG.

I think it is everybody's interest that the formulation of CWE polls is 
fully correct and therefore my recommendation is the following:
1) Complete the project at 
https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/DispFormDraft.aspx?ID=677 
inserting all the missing dates
2) in the poll at  
https://public.ccsds.org/polls/Lists/CESGP201905001/newform.aspx add "
https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/DispFormDraft.aspx?ID=677" to the 
Reefernced Item(s) field:
3) in the poll at  
https://public.ccsds.org/polls/Lists/CESGP201905001/newform.aspx  within 
the QUESTION field change FROM:
        CONSIDERING that: The Time Management BoF has developed a draft 
Charter, created a plan in the Management Framework, and identified a WG 
chair and deputy chair, and...
        TO:
        CONSIDERING that: The Time Management BoF has developed a draft 
Charter, created a CWE project in the Management Framework, and identified 
a WG chair and deputy chair, and... 

This is my last note on this subject and it is only intended to avoid 
delays to the creation of the WG.

Best regards

Gippo 




From:   Gian Paolo Calzolari/esoc/ESA
To:     "Shames, Peter M (312B)" <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc:     CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec 
<cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>, CCSDS Secretariat 
<secretariat at mailman.ccsds.org>, CCSDS Tech Support 
<techsupport at mailman.ccsds.org>
Date:   22-05-19 22:43
Subject:        Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [CESG] SEA-R-2019-05-01 Initiate the 
poll to approve creation of the Time Management WG


Peter,
        your resolution contains the following statement:
The Time Management BoF has developed a draft Charter, created a plan in 
the Management Framework, and identified a WG chair and deputy chair, and 
that

I see that the BoF created a charter  (*)
I see that the BoF identified a WG Chair  (*)
I see that the BoF identified a WG Deputy Chair  (*)
I do not see that the BoF created a plan  in the Management Framework (or 
if you prefer, I do not find a "plan" there)

Having said this, my concern is that we need to vote polls based on the 
information provided in the poll (and leave there all the information also 
for future checks)
In the current poll we have a charter, we have candidate chairs but we do 
not have a plan.

Can you tell us where/what that plan is?

Actually the poll misses also a CWE project to be evaluated by CESGers 
together with the charter.

For this reason I guess your sentence should read
The Time Management BoF has developed a draft Charter, created a draft CWE 
Project for a Time Management Green Book in the Management Framework, and 
identified a WG chair and deputy chair, and that.................

Finally the draft project at 
https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/DispFormDraft.aspx?ID=677  should 
be completed with the planned schedule and attached/linked to the CESG 
Poll for proper evaluation by CESGers to vote.

I hope I clarified my concern.

Regards

Gippo

(*) This is visible in the draft Charter you distributed and also linked 
in the CESG Poll.




From:   "Shames, Peter M (312B)" <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
To:     "Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int" <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>
Cc:     CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec 
<cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>, CCSDS Secretariat 
<secretariat at mailman.ccsds.org>, CCSDS Tech Support 
<techsupport at mailman.ccsds.org>
Date:   22-05-19 22:24
Subject:        Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [CESG] SEA-R-2019-05-01 Initiate the 
poll to approve creation of the Time Management WG



Hi Gippo,
 
I am not at all certain what your concern is.  Please see attached screen 
shot of the Time Management WG Charter in the CCSDS Framework.
 
Peter
 
 
From: Gian Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>
Date: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 at 12:57 PM
To: Peter Shames <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>, 
CCSDS Secretariat <secretariat at mailman.ccsds.org>, CCSDS Tech Support 
<techsupport at mailman.ccsds.org>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [CESG] SEA-R-2019-05-01 Initiate the poll to 
approve creation of the Time Management WG
 
Peter, 
        I was quite puzzled when I saw you wrote that the BOF "created a 
plan in the Management Framework". 
Then checking the framework I found a draft project on the Time Management 
Green Book at  
https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/DispFormDraft.aspx?ID=677 
Did you refer to the creation of the CWE Draft Project instead of "a 
plan"? 

Thank you for clarifying 

Gippo 



From:        "Shames, Peter M \(312B\) via CESG" <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org> 
To:        CCSDS Secretariat <secretariat at mailman.ccsds.org> 
Cc:        CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec 
<cesg at mailman.ccsds.org> 
Date:        14-05-19 22:22 
Subject:        [CESG] SEA-R-2019-05-01 Initiate the poll to approve 
creation of the Time Management WG 
Sent by:        "CESG" <cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org> 

 
Dear CCSDS Secretariat,
 
Secretariat:  Please submit this SEA resolution for CESG approval and 
forwarding to the CMC.
 
Summary of resolution:

Resolution 1:  Initiate a poll to approve creation of the Time Management 
Working Group
 
Thanks, Peter

======================================================================

SEA-R-2019-05-01 Initiate the poll to approve creation of the Time 
Management Working Group

The System Engineering Area,

CONSIDERING that:

The Time Management BoF has developed a draft Charter, created a plan in 
the Management Framework, and identified a WG chair and deputy chair, and 
that
The Charter includes the required items and an initial set of agreed 
terminology, and that
The BoF has achieved consensus on these items.
And RECOGNIZING that:

The CCSDS Organization and Processes (A02.1-Y-4 cor 2) Sec 2.3.4 states:

If the AD recommends acceptance of the proposal, the draft charter, 
project definition, and resource profile, accompanied by a CCSDS concept 
paper (see 6.1.3) outlining its technical scope, is forwarded to the CESG 
for a decision. 
 and that,
 
The CCSDS Organization and Processes (A02.1-Y-4 cor 2) requires that an AD 
shall ask the CESG and CMC to review and approve creation of the WG, and 
that
The SEA AD has reviewed these documents and determined that the document 
is ready for to be approved.

RESOLVES to request:

That the Secretariat prepare the necessary CESG and CMC polls for WG 
approval, and that
The Secretariat initiate a poll requesting CESG and CMC approval to start 
this WG. 
 
 
 
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Gian Paolo Calzolari/esoc/ESA] 

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