<span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Margherita,</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Peter,</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">
just to be clear, having attended at AMES (part of)
the meeting on Monday morning, I do not see a problem with the creation
of the WG, but the poll as formulated in CWE is formally incomplete.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Clause 5.5.1.1.1
of Org&Porc </span><a href=https://public.ccsds.org/Pubs/A02x1y4c2.pdf><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:sans-serif">https://public.ccsds.org/Pubs/A02x1y4c2.pdf</span></a><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">
requires that "<u>Charters, in conjunction with at least one
project (see 5.5.2), shall be created for the purpose of establishing working
groups</u>."</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Actually the Poll
we see on web has only one attachment; i.e. the link </span><a href="https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Charters/DispForm.aspx?ID=92"><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:sans-serif">https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Charters/DispForm.aspx?ID=92</span></a><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">
to the CWE Charter and no attachment/link to the CWE Project that will
start together with the WG.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I think it is
everybody's interest that the formulation of CWE polls is fully correct
and therefore my recommendation is the following:</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">1) Complete the
project at </span><a href="https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/DispFormDraft.aspx?ID=677"><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/DispFormDraft.aspx?ID=677</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">
inserting all the missing dates</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">2) in the poll
at </span><a href=https://public.ccsds.org/polls/Lists/CESGP201905001/newform.aspx><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:sans-serif">https://public.ccsds.org/polls/Lists/CESGP201905001/newform.aspx</span></a><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">
add "</span><a href="https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/DispFormDraft.aspx?ID=677"><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/DispFormDraft.aspx?ID=677</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">"
to the Reefernced Item(s) field:</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">3) in the poll
at </span><a href=https://public.ccsds.org/polls/Lists/CESGP201905001/newform.aspx><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:sans-serif">https://public.ccsds.org/polls/Lists/CESGP201905001/newform.aspx</span></a><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">
within the QUESTION field change FROM:</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">
CONSIDERING that: The Time Management BoF has developed
a draft Charter, created a plan in the Management Framework, and identified
a WG chair and deputy chair, and...</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">
TO:</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">
CONSIDERING that: The Time Management BoF has developed
a draft Charter, created </span><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:red;font-family:sans-serif">a
CWE project in the </span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Management
Framework, and identified a WG chair and deputy chair, and... </span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">This is my last
note on this subject and it is only intended to avoid delays to the creation
of the WG.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Best regards</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Gippo </span>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">From:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">Gian
Paolo Calzolari/esoc/ESA</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">To:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">"Shames,
Peter M (312B)" <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov></span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Cc:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">CCSDS
Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org>,
CCSDS Secretariat <secretariat@mailman.ccsds.org>, CCSDS Tech Support
<techsupport@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Date:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">22-05-19
22:43</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Subject:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">Re:
[EXTERNAL] Re: [CESG] SEA-R-2019-05-01 Initiate the poll to approve creation
of the Time Management WG</span>
<br>
<hr noshade>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Peter,</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">
your resolution contains the following statement:</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">The Time Management BoF has developed
a draft Charter, created a plan in the Management Framework, and identified
a WG chair and deputy chair, and that</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I see that the
BoF created a charter (*)</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I see that the
BoF identified a WG Chair (*)</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I see that the
BoF identified a WG Deputy Chair (*)</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I do not see that
the BoF created a plan in the Management Framework (or if you prefer,
I do not find a "plan" there)</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Having said this,
my concern is that we need to vote polls based on the information provided
in the poll (and leave there all the information also for future checks)</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">In the current
poll we have a charter, we have candidate chairs but we do not have a plan.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Can you tell us
where/what that plan is?</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Actually the poll
misses also a CWE project to be evaluated by CESGers together with the
charter.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">For this reason
I guess your sentence should read</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">The Time Management BoF has developed
a draft Charter, created a </span><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:red">draft
CWE Project for a Time Management Green Book </span><span style=" font-size:12pt">in
the Management Framework, and identified a WG chair and deputy chair, and
that.................</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">Finally the draft project at </span><a href="https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/DispFormDraft.aspx?ID=677"><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/DispFormDraft.aspx?ID=677</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> should be completed with the
planned schedule and attached/linked to the CESG Poll for proper evaluation
by CESGers to vote.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">I hope I clarified my concern.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">Regards</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">Gippo</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">(*) This is visible in the draft Charter
you distributed and also linked in the CESG Poll.</span>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">From:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">"Shames,
Peter M (312B)" <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov></span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">To:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">"Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int"
<Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int></span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Cc:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">CCSDS
Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org>,
CCSDS Secretariat <secretariat@mailman.ccsds.org>, CCSDS Tech Support
<techsupport@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Date:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">22-05-19
22:24</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Subject:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">Re:
[EXTERNAL] Re: [CESG] SEA-R-2019-05-01 Initiate the poll to approve creation
of the Time Management WG</span>
<br>
<hr noshade>
<br>
<br>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Hi
Gippo,</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">I
am not at all certain what your concern is. Please see attached screen
shot of the Time Management WG Charter in the CCSDS Framework.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Peter</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri"><b>From:
</b>Gian Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int><b><br>
Date: </b>Wednesday, May 22, 2019 at 12:57 PM<b><br>
To: </b>Peter Shames <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><b><br>
Cc: </b>CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org>,
CCSDS Secretariat <secretariat@mailman.ccsds.org>, CCSDS Tech Support
<techsupport@mailman.ccsds.org><b><br>
Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] Re: [CESG] SEA-R-2019-05-01 Initiate the poll to
approve creation of the Time Management WG</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">Peter,</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
I was quite puzzled when I saw you wrote that
the BOF "</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">created
a plan in the Management Framework</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">".</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
Then checking the framework I found a draft project on the Time Management
Green Book at </span><a href="https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/DispFormDraft.aspx?ID=677"><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/DispFormDraft.aspx?ID=677</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
Did you refer to the creation of the CWE Draft Project instead of "a
plan"?</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> <br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
Thank you for clarifying</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
Gippo</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> <br>
<br>
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
From: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"Shames,
Peter M \(312B\) via CESG" <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org></span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
To: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">CCSDS
Secretariat <secretariat@mailman.ccsds.org></span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
Cc: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">CCSDS
Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org></span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
Date: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">14-05-19
22:22</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
Subject: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">[CESG]
SEA-R-2019-05-01 Initiate the poll to approve creation of the Time Management
WG</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
Sent by: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"CESG"
<cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org></span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span></p>
<div align=center>
<hr noshade></div>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:240px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt">Dear
CCSDS Secretariat,</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt"><b>Secretariat:
Please submit this SEA resolution for CESG approval and forwarding
to the CMC.</b></span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt">Summary
of resolution:</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt"><br>
Resolution 1: Initiate a poll to approve creation of the Time Management
Working Group</span></p>
<p style=";margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
<p style=";margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt">Thanks, Peter<br>
<br>
======================================================================</span></p>
<p style=";margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt"><b><br>
SEA-R-2019-05-01 Initiate the poll to approve creation of the Time Management
Working Group</b></span></p>
<p style=";margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt"><br>
The System Engineering Area,<b><br>
<br>
CONSIDERING that:</b><br>
<br>
The Time Management BoF has developed a draft Charter, created a plan in
the Management Framework, and identified a WG chair and deputy chair, and
that</span></p>
<p style="■=‼6øk╠;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt">The
Charter includes the required items and an initial set of agreed terminology,
and that</span></p>
<p style="■=‼6øk╠;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt">The
BoF has achieved consensus on these items.</span></p>
<p style="■=‼6øk╠;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt"><b>And
RECOGNIZING that:</b><br>
<br>
The CCSDS Organization and Processes (A02.1-Y-4 cor 2) Sec 2.3.4 states:</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#0082bf;font-family:Calibri"><br>
If the AD recommends acceptance of the proposal, the draft charter, project
definition, and resource profile, accompanied by a CCSDS concept paper
(see 6.1.3) outlining its technical scope, is forwarded to the CESG for
a decision. </span></p>
<p style=";margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt"> and that,</span></p>
<p style=";margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
<p style=";margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt">The CCSDS Organization
and Processes (A02.1-Y-4 cor 2) requires that an AD shall ask the CESG
and CMC to review and approve creation of the WG, and that</span></p>
<p style=";margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt">The SEA AD
has reviewed these documents and determined that the document is ready
for to be approved.</span></p>
<p style=";margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt"><b><br>
RESOLVES to request:</b><br>
<br>
That the Secretariat prepare the necessary CESG and CMC polls for WG approval,
and that</span></p>
<p style=";margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt">The Secretariat
initiate a poll requesting CESG and CMC approval to start this WG. </span></p>
<p style=";margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
<p style=";margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
<p style=";margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
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