[CESG] [Secretariat] [EXTERNAL] RID Database

Mon May 20 14:23:35 UTC 2019

Tom,
        sorry but I cannot recall that kind of consensus on excel and the 
MoMs statement I see says"It was agreed to re-assess the RID tool based on 
excel, that was produced by David Ross, and discuss its suitability at the 
mid-term Telecon."
Regards

Gian Paolo

From:   "Thomas Gannett" <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
To:     <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>, "'CCSDS CESG --'" 
<cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>
Date:   20-05-19 16:18
Subject:        RE: [Secretariat] [CESG] [EXTERNAL]  RID Database

Dear Colleagues:

At the CESG meeting in Mountain View, there was consensus that RID 
packages should be delivered to the top-level CCSDS review coordinator in 
Excel format.

Beyond that, CCSDS agencies (not the CCSDS, not the Secretariat, not the 
CESG) are responsible for conducting reviews. How agencies choose to 
conduct their reviews is their business. More importantly, tools/formats/ 
restrictions related to how agency reviewers are allowed to input RIDs are 
matters for each agency to determine; the only requirement at the CCSDS 
level is that the agency-approved RID packages be delivered in Excel 
format.

I personally think the CESG may have better things to do than endlessly 
debate the input format for RIDs, but I can only offer my opinion.

My two cents, or plugged nickel, as the case may be,
Tom

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From: Secretariat [mailto:secretariat-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf 
Of Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 4:19 AM
To: CCSDS CESG --
Subject: Re: [Secretariat] [CESG] [EXTERNAL] RID Database

Dear All, 
        I confirm my opinion in keeping the simplest possible approach to 
favour anybody to enter RIDs: i.e. the simple text/winword form with 
plenty of editing possibilities. 
Just based on experience the problem is not having a sophisticated tool to 
manage RIDs but rather to promote review among Agencies with proper 
processes. 
In other words, more than spending time/resources in access, excel, 
RIDzilla,MyBestWayForDoingRIDs, RIDuberAlles, etc I would push up the 
issue to MC for having proper Agency feedback for reviews. 

My cent....... 

Gippo 

From:        "Shames, Peter M \(312B\) via CESG" <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org> 
To:        "Colin.Haddow at esa.int" <Colin.Haddow at esa.int>, 
"cesg at mailman.ccsds.org" <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org> 
Date:        17-05-19 19:37 
Subject:        Re: [CESG] [EXTERNAL]  RID Database 
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Hi Colin,

Umm.  Not to throw too much water on this, but for those of us with Macs 
(most of JPL uses Macs and Mac OSX), this is not in any way functional. 
When I try to open it I get a message saying I need to have installed 
Parallels, a VM that supports Windows, and then, of course, Windows 
itself, and then, of course, the whole Windows Office suite that includes 
Access. 

That's a lot of baggage to buy and support just to submit RIDs.

Thanks for try though. 

Peter

From: CESG <cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of Colin Haddow 
<Colin.Haddow at esa.int>
Date: Friday, May 17, 2019 at 7:37 AM
To: CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [CESG] RID Database

Dear all, 
                 I am aware that the decision at the Mountain View Meeting 
with respect to the CCSDS RID database was to use an Excel based approach. 
However after having spent a little time on it I've uploaded an MS Access 
based database that could be used. This contained 4 forms; 
1.       Document Details Entry Form -        Used to enter the details of 
the document(s) under review. 
2.       Reviewer Details Entry Form -         Used to enter details of 
the reviewer(s) 
3.       RID Entry Form -                        Used to enter the RID 
details 
4.       RID Review Form -                        Used to review the RIDs 
5. 
The fields in the RID forms correspond pretty much to the existing CCSDS 
text based form with the addition of 2 fields, 1 for attachments and 1 to 
indicate which other RIDs the RID may be related to. 

It is also possible to produce a a Word report of the RIDs from the 
database using Words mail merge facility. 

In the upload there are 4 files; 
1.       
https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/docs/CWE%20Private/CCSDS%20Access%20Database%20Example/CCSDS%20RID%20Database.accdb 
-                                An empty access database with the 
appropriate table, forms etc. 
2.       
https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/docs/CWE%20Private/CCSDS%20Access%20Database%20Example/CCSDS%20RID%20Database%20Report%20Template.docx 
-        Word document providing the template for the mail merge report. 
3.       
https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/docs/CWE%20Private/CCSDS%20Access%20Database%20Example/Example.accdb 
-                                                        An example 
populated database (data used to populate it comes from an old Simple 
Schedule Red Review + some test data) 
4.       
https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/docs/CWE%20Private/CCSDS%20Access%20Database%20Example/Example%20RIDs%20Database%20Report.docx 
-                        An example report generated via mail merge from 
the example database. 
5. 
The above was nailed together quite quickly and I won't claim its totally 
bullet proof but I think it covers pretty much all that's needed. 

Anyway if you're interested please take a look. 

Cheers for now, 

Colin 

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