[CESG] [Secretariat] [EXTERNAL] RID Database

Mon May 20 14:40:10 UTC 2019

I recall very clearly discussion and agreement on using Excel as the interface exchange format for an agency submitting it's RIDs to the international review coordinator, while allowing the agencies to conduct reviews and collect inputs in whatever local format is desired. Unfortunately it appears this was never formally put to a vote during the CESG meeting.  I believe a simple step such as common format for issue from the agencies to an international review coordinator is is not too much to ask and comports well with a principle of standards organization defining some sort of standard for conducting its internal business.

My .02

-Erik

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From: Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int
Date: 5/20/19 7:24 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Thomas Gannett <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
Cc: 'CCSDS CESG --' <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>
Subject: Re: [CESG] [Secretariat]  [EXTERNAL]  RID Database

Tom,
        sorry but I cannot recall that kind of consensus on excel and the MoMs statement I see says"It was agreed to re-assess the RID tool based on excel, that was produced by David Ross, and discuss its suitability at the mid-term Telecon."
Regards

Gian Paolo

From:        "Thomas Gannett" <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
To:        <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>, "'CCSDS CESG --'" <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>
Date:        20-05-19 16:18
Subject:        RE: [Secretariat] [CESG] [EXTERNAL]  RID Database
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Dear Colleagues:

At the CESG meeting in Mountain View, there was consensus that RID packages should be delivered to the top-level CCSDS review coordinator in Excel format.

Beyond that, CCSDS agencies (not the CCSDS, not the Secretariat, not the CESG) are responsible for conducting reviews. How agencies choose to conduct their reviews is their business. More importantly, tools/formats/ restrictions related to how agency reviewers are allowed to input RIDs are matters for each agency to determine; the only requirement at the CCSDS level is that the agency-approved RID packages be delivered in Excel format.

I personally think the CESG may have better things to do than endlessly debate the input format for RIDs, but I can only offer my opinion.

My two cents, or plugged nickel, as the case may be,

Tom

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From: Secretariat [mailto:secretariat-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 4:19 AM
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Subject: Re: [Secretariat] [CESG] [EXTERNAL] RID Database

Dear All,
       I confirm my opinion in keeping the simplest possible approach to favour anybody to enter RIDs: i.e. the simple text/winword form with plenty of editing possibilities.
Just based on experience the problem is not having a sophisticated tool to manage RIDs but rather to promote review among Agencies with proper processes.
In other words, more than spending time/resources in access, excel, RIDzilla,MyBestWayForDoingRIDs, RIDuberAlles, etc I would push up the issue to MC for having proper Agency feedback for reviews.

My cent.......

Gippo

From:        "Shames, Peter M \(312B\) via CESG" <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>
To:        "Colin.Haddow at esa.int" <Colin.Haddow at esa.int>, "cesg at mailman.ccsds.org" <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>
Date:        17-05-19 19:37
Subject:        Re: [CESG] [EXTERNAL]  RID Database
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Hi Colin,

Umm.  Not to throw too much water on this, but for those of us with Macs (most of JPL uses Macs and Mac OSX), this is not in any way functional.  When I try to open it I get a message saying I need to have installed Parallels, a VM that supports Windows, and then, of course, Windows itself, and then, of course, the whole Windows Office suite that includes Access.

That's a lot of baggage to buy and support just to submit RIDs.

Thanks for try though.

Peter

From: CESG <cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of Colin Haddow <Colin.Haddow at esa.int>
Date: Friday, May 17, 2019 at 7:37 AM
To: CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [CESG] RID Database

Dear all,
                I am aware that the decision at the Mountain View Meeting with respect to the CCSDS RID database was to use an Excel based approach. However after having spent a little time on it I've uploaded an MS Access based database that could be used. This contained 4 forms;

1.       Document Details Entry Form -        Used to enter the details of the document(s) under review.

2.       Reviewer Details Entry Form -         Used to enter details of the reviewer(s)

3.       RID Entry Form -                        Used to enter the RID details

4.       RID Review Form -                        Used to review the RIDs

5.

The fields in the RID forms correspond pretty much to the existing CCSDS text based form with the addition of 2 fields, 1 for attachments and 1 to indicate which other RIDs the RID may be related to.

It is also possible to produce a a Word report of the RIDs from the database using Words mail merge facility.

In the upload there are 4 files;

1.       https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/docs/CWE%20Private/CCSDS%20Access%20Database%20Example/CCSDS%20RID%20Database.accdb -                                An empty access database with the appropriate table, forms etc.

2.       https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/docs/CWE%20Private/CCSDS%20Access%20Database%20Example/CCSDS%20RID%20Database%20Report%20Template.docx -        Word document providing the template for the mail merge report.

3.       https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/docs/CWE%20Private/CCSDS%20Access%20Database%20Example/Example.accdb -                                                        An example populated database (data used to populate it comes from an old Simple Schedule Red Review + some test data)

4.       https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/docs/CWE%20Private/CCSDS%20Access%20Database%20Example/Example%20RIDs%20Database%20Report.docx -                        An example report generated via mail merge from the example database.

5.

The above was nailed together quite quickly and I won't claim its totally bullet proof but I think it covers pretty much all that's needed.

Anyway if you're interested please take a look.

Cheers for now,

Colin

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