[CESG] [Secretariat] Use of "Substantive changes"

[Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int]

Tom, 
        of course it is.
My reply was based on the single clause form Peter's mail  :o)

The question is "what is a technical issue"?
I  fear that some people may have a different reply (opinion) for this 
question.

Regards

Gian Paolo



From:   "Thomas Gannett" <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
To:     <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>, "'Shames, Peter M\(312B\)'" 
<peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc:     "'CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec'" 
<cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>, "'CESG'" <cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org>
Date:   19/05/2017 17:55
Subject:        RE: [Secretariat] [CESG] Use of "Substantive changes"



6.2.5.2 a) if technical issues are identified in the course of a review, 
those issues must be resolved and the review must be repeated before 
approval can be sought for a change of document status;
 
That?s rather unequivocal.
 
 
Thomas Gannett
thomas.gannett at tgannett.net
+1 443 472 0805
 
From: Secretariat [mailto:secretariat-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf 
Of Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:42 PM
To: Shames, Peter M (312B)
Cc: CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec; CESG
Subject: Re: [Secretariat] [CESG] Use of "Substantive changes"
 
So the condition is 
IF substantive changes AND  no technical comment 
THEN        Agency Review 
ELSE        No further Agency Review 

In the ELSE I see also the possibility 
        substantive changes AND  technical comment  ===> no further Agency 
review 

Enjoy and smile    :o) 

Gippo 



From:        "Shames, Peter M (312B)" <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov> 
To:        "Mario Merri" <Mario.Merri at esa.int> 
Cc:        "CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec" <
cesg at mailman.ccsds.org> 
Date:        15/05/2017 19:30 
Subject:        [CESG] Use of "Substantive changes" 
Sent by:        "CESG" <cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org> 




Hi Mario, 
  
You just mentioned that you thought the word "substantive" did not appear 
in the CCSDS YB.  But it does, in sec 6.2.5.2 (emphasis added): 
  
6.2.5 FORMAL AGENCY REVIEW 
6.2.5.2 Once review of a document has been authorized, that document may 
be reviewed more than once without additional polling of the CMC: 
.          c)  if substantive changes are made to a document that has 
completed review without technical comment, the Secretariat shall conduct 
a final review in which Agencies can approve or reject the document but 
may not suggest additional changes; ? 
  
As with most words in the English language that are used in our documents, 
but not specifically defined, we depend on common usage in English to 
define meanings.  In this case we can refer to one or more dictionary 
definitions for this "common usage".  Try these: 
  
Google primary definition 
sub·stan·tive 
adjective 
adjective: substantive 
1.       having a firm basis in reality and therefore important, 
meaningful, or considerable. 
"there is no substantive evidence for the efficacy of these drugs" 
  
Oxford dictionary definition 
substantive 
adjective 
·         Having a firm basis in reality and so important, meaningful, or 
considerable. 
?there is no substantive evidence for the efficacy of these drugs? 
  
There are also a few uses of "substantive change", but these tend to be 
organization / topic specific.  A couple that are relevant are these: 
  
When you talk about substantive change, you mean change that really makes 
a difference. 
  
Substantive change is a significant modification or expansion in the 
nature and scope of an accredited institution 
  
So this specific definition mentions "accredited organization", for us it 
could say "draft document", and that would have appropriate meaning in our 
context.  I think that these meanings are clear.  I hope you do as well. 
  
Regards, Peter 
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