<font size=2 face="sans-serif">Tom, </font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"> of
course it is.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">My reply was based on the single clause
form Peter's mail :o)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">The question is "what is a technical
issue"?</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I fear that some people may have
a different reply (opinion) for this question.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Regards</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Gian Paolo</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">From:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"Thomas Gannett"
<thomas.gannett@tgannett.net></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">To:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif"><Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int>,
"'Shames, Peter M\(312B\)'" <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Cc:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"'CCSDS Engineering
Steering Group - CESG Exec'" <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org>, "'CESG'"
<cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Date:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">19/05/2017 17:55</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Subject:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">RE: [Secretariat]
[CESG] Use of "Substantive changes"</font>
<br>
<hr noshade>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">6.2.5.2 a) if technical issues
are identified in the course of a review, those issues must be resolved
<b>and the review must be repeated</b> before approval can be sought for
a change of document status;</font>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">That’s rather unequivocal.</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=3 color=#004080 face="Times New Roman"> </font>
<br><font size=3 color=#004080 face="Times New Roman">Thomas Gannett</font>
<br><font size=3 color=#004080 face="Times New Roman">thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</font>
<br><font size=3 color=#004080 face="Times New Roman">+1 443 472 0805</font>
<br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Secretariat [</font><a href="mailto:secretariat-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org"><font size=2 face="Tahoma">mailto:secretariat-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</font></a><font size=2 face="Tahoma">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int<b><br>
Sent:</b> Monday, May 15, 2017 1:42 PM<b><br>
To:</b> Shames, Peter M (312B)<b><br>
Cc:</b> CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec; CESG<b><br>
Subject:</b> Re: [Secretariat] [CESG] Use of "Substantive changes"</font>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Arial">So the condition is</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
IF </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><b><i>substantive changes AND no
technical comment</i></b></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
THEN Agency Review</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
ELSE No further Agency Review</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
<br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
In the ELSE I see also the possibility <br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><b><i>substantive
changes AND technical comment ===> no further Agency review</i></b></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
<br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
Enjoy and smile :o)</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
<br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
Gippo</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> <br>
<br>
<br>
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
From: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">"Shames,
Peter M (312B)" <</font><a href=mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><font size=1 color=blue face="Arial"><u>peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</u></font></a><font size=1 face="Arial">></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
To: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">"Mario
Merri" <</font><a href=mailto:Mario.Merri@esa.int><font size=1 color=blue face="Arial"><u>Mario.Merri@esa.int</u></font></a><font size=1 face="Arial">></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
Cc: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">"CCSDS
Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec" <</font><a href=mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><font size=1 color=blue face="Arial"><u>cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</u></font></a><font size=1 face="Arial">></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
Date: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">15/05/2017
19:30</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
Subject: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">[CESG]
Use of "Substantive changes"</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
Sent by: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">"CESG"
<</font><a href="mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org"><font size=1 color=blue face="Arial"><u>cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</u></font></a><font size=1 face="Arial">></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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Hi Mario,</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
You just mentioned that you thought the word "substantive" did
not appear in the CCSDS YB. But it does, in sec 6.2.5.2 (emphasis
<b><i>added</i></b>):</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><b><br>
6.2.5 FORMAL AGENCY REVIEW </b><br>
6.2.5.2 Once review of a document has been authorized, that document may
be reviewed more than once without additional polling of the CMC: <br>
. c) <b><i>if substantive changes
are made</i></b> to a document that has completed review without technical
comment, the Secretariat shall conduct a final review in which Agencies
can approve or reject the document but may not suggest additional changes;
</font><font size=2 face="MS Mincho">
</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
As with most words in the English language that are used in our documents,
but not specifically defined, we depend on common usage in English to define
meanings. In this case we can refer to one or more dictionary definitions
for this "common usage". Try these:</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><u><br>
Google primary definition</u></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
sub·stan·tive</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><i><br>
adjective</i></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
adjective: <b>substantive</b></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
1. having a firm basis in reality and therefore important,
meaningful, or considerable.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
"there is no substantive evidence for the efficacy of these drugs"</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><u><br>
Oxford dictionary definition</u></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><b><br>
substantive</b></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><b><br>
adjective</b></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Symbol"><br>
· </font><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Symbol">
</font><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Symbol">
</font><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Symbol">
</font><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Symbol">
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri">Having a firm basis in reality and so
important, meaningful, or considerable.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><i><br>
‘there is no substantive evidence for the efficacy of these drugs’</i></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
There are also a few uses of "substantive change", but these
tend to be organization / topic specific. A couple that are relevant
are these:</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><i><br>
When you talk about substantive change, you mean change that really makes
a difference.</i></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><i><br>
</i></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><i><br>
Substantive change</i> is a significant modification or expansion in the
nature and scope of an accredited institution</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
So this specific definition mentions "accredited organization",
for us it could say "draft document", and that would have appropriate
meaning in our context. I think that these meanings are clear. I
hope you do as well.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
Regards, Peter</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
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