[CESG] Update Org&Procs/ICS books per CESG discussion

[Chris.Taylor at esa.int]

Dear all, I have trailed through the emails on this discussion and can't
believe we are having these sorts of discussions. If you take it seriously,
I wonder how we were ever able to get any thing done in the past. IMHO, we
already have far more bureaucracy than we need and are in danger of  losing
track of the real reason for the existence of CCSDS. It is not so we can have
these Spats at CESG level.

The present rules have served us well if we cant agree to new ones in a
simple discussion then stay with the old.

I therefore vote for option B

//ct



From:	Nestor.Peccia at esa.int
To:	"Shames, Peter M (312G)" <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>,
Cc:	Thomas Gannett <tomg at aiaa.org>, cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org,
            "cesg at mailman.ccsds.org" <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>
Date:	12/11/2013 22:00
Subject:	Re: [CESG] Update Org&Procs/ICS books per CESG discussion
Sent by:	cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org



Peter,

I am surprised receiving  suggestions about timely agreement. All these
issues of "consensus and abstain" is a consequence of your lack of compliance
with the schedule agreed in the CESG  to have a YB version for the CMC on
15th Nov 2013.

It is not acceptable for me to fix  a time to achieve an agreement on
consensus and abstain

Why ?

If we need to consider simple majority as one of the consensus statuses, I
want to discuss other items that could be related with this
      CESG chairs veto,
      AD / DAD veto for WG decisions
      maximum number of ADs from one Agency not exceeding a limit (<= 2 or
      3 ??) within CESG
      Representativeness of all member Agencies across Areas and WGs
      Agency minority rights
      etc
      etc
This will take some time, believe me; because consensus needs also to be
discussed at WG level. Otherwise the troops will think that we are "Prima
Donnas" and not only simple ADs

In a nutshell, my opinion is
      Either Option B as is, or Option A with an open ended schedule

ciao
nestor
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