[CESG] Update Org&Procs/ICS books per CESG discussion

Shames, Peter M (312G) peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov
Tue Nov 12 16:19:13 EST 2013

I was trying to keep this discussion focussed on just the one key topic.

In order to achieve consensus, by any definition, we will have to see what the rest of the CESG has to say.

Regards, Peter

From: Nestor Peccia <Nestor.Peccia at esa.int<mailto:Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>>
Date: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:59 PM
To: Peter Shames <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>>
Cc: CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>>, "cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org>" <cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org>>, Tom Gannett <tomg at aiaa.org<mailto:tomg at aiaa.org>>
Subject: Re: [CESG] Update Org&Procs/ICS books per CESG discussion


I am surprised receiving  suggestions about timely agreement. All these issues of "consensus and abstain" is a consequence of your lack of compliance with the schedule agreed in the CESG  to have a YB version for the CMC on 15th Nov 2013.

It is not acceptable for me to fix  a time to achieve an agreement on consensus and abstain

Why ?

If we need to consider simple majority as one of the consensus statuses, I want to discuss other items that could be related with this

  *   CESG chairs veto,
  *   AD / DAD veto for WG decisions
  *   maximum number of ADs from one Agency not exceeding a limit (<= 2 or 3 ??) within CESG
  *   Representativeness of all member Agencies across Areas and WGs
  *   Agency minority rights
  *   etc
  *   etc

This will take some time, believe me; because consensus needs also to be discussed at WG level. Otherwise the troops will think that we are "Prima Donnas" and not only simple ADs

In a nutshell, my opinion is

  *   Either Option B as is, or Option A with an open ended schedule


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