[CESG] RE: [Moims-dai] RE: CESG - MOIMS Resolution Nr 1 after last Fall 2012 CCSDS meeting,

[Hooke, Adrian J (9000)]

John: we do have to do *something* with these documents. The problem is that if we move them to Historical status we will thus take them off the Normative Track and put them on the Non-Normative track.  But isn't that the message that we are trying to send, namely that CCSDS does not recommend these specifications for application to future missions? So if we do re-affirm them now (without review) - with a clear statement that at their next periodic review they will be moved to Historical status - I see no real issue with your 50+ year scenario.  These missions are still going to be able to find the root specifications prominently available on the CCSDS website http://public.ccsds.org/publications/SilverBooks.aspx and that is all that they care about, isn't it?

I will raise this concern at the 10 December CMC meeting for their thoughts before making any final decisions, but right now I think that the Silver book solution make sense.

Best regards
Adrian

From: John Garrett [mailto:John.G.Garrett at nasa.gov]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 11:53 AM
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Cc: Hooke, Adrian J (9000); Nestor.Peccia at esa.int; CCSDS Secretariat; cesg at mailman.ccsds.org
Subject: Re: [Moims-dai] RE: CESG - MOIMS Resolution Nr 1 after last Fall 2012 CCSDS meeting,

Hi,

Why do we need deprecate these to historical at all.

For example, we have data stored in SFDU format with the intention of it being stored for the long-term, possibly 50 + years.  The SFDU should not be deprecated any more than the Fortran even older COBOL languages standards are disposed of.  The standards for the computer languages remain standards, even when other computer languages are adopted for wide-spread use.

Good Health and Much Peace,
-JOhn
On 11/12/2012 11:38 AM, Hooke, Adrian J (9000) wrote:
Nestor: when you say "and RECOGNIZING that this will be the last reaffirmation of those books in CCSDS",  what is to prevent some NEW missions from adopting these books and thus propagating the problem indefinitely? Will they be marked with a warning that they will be deprecated to Historical on such-and-such a date?

///adrian

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Subject: CESG - MOIMS Resolution Nr 1 after last Fall 2012 CCSDS meeting,

CESG Chair

The following resolution has been approved by MOIMS AD.

ciao
nestor

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MOIMS-DAI WG-R-2012-02-0031, Resolution recommending the reaffirmation of the following CCSDS books

  *   CCSDS 620.0-B-2: Standard Formatted Data Units Structure and Construction Rules
  *   CCSDS 622.0-B-1: Standard Formatted Data Units Referencing Environment
  *   CCSDS 630.0-B-1: Standard Formatted Data Units  Control Authority Procedures
  *   CCSDS 632.0-B-1: Standard Formatted Data Units  Control Authority Data Structures
  *   CCSDS 641.0-B-2: Parameter Value Language Specification (CCSD0006 and CCSD0008)
  *   CCSDS 643.0-B-1: ASCII Encoded English (CCSD0002)
  *   CCSDS 647.1-B-1:  Data Entity Dictionary Specification Language (DEDSL)Abstract Syntax (CCSD0011)
  *   CCSDS 647.2-B-1:  Data Entity Dictionary Specification Language (DEDSL)PVL Syntax (CCSD0012)
  *   CCSDS 647.3-B-1:  Data Entity Dictionary Specification Language (DEDSL) XML/DTD Syntax (CCSD0013 )
The MOIMS Area,

CONSIDERING the total lack of resources within NASA and ESA to evaluate the changes needed in these books (9)
CONSIDERING that several flying missions within different CCSDS Agencies (ESA, CNES, NASA) are using those standards as applicable documents in their Projects
CONSIDERING that those missions are totally against to place those standards as historical for the time being
CONSIDERING that those missions are close to its end (within the next 3-5 years)

and RECOGNIZING that this will be the last reaffirmation of those books in CCSDS and
RECOGNIZING that this recommendation has been approved by the DAI WG Chair and has the full endorsement of the MOIMS AD

RECOMMENDS that the CCSDS Engineering Steering Group Chair initiates the required CESG poll for its approval

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