[SLS] For your information: [CESG] Resolution SLS-R-2018-12-001 Start of CWE Project for “SLS Glossary of Terms”CCSDS 707.1-M Recommended Practice (Magenta Book)

Wed Dec 5 10:53:59 UTC 2018

For your information

Regards

Gian Paolo

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From:   Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int
To:     "Shames, Peter M (312B)" <Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc:     Tom Gannett <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>, Brian Oliver 
<brian.oliver at nasa.gov>, CCSDS CESG -- <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>
Date:   05-12-18 11:53
Subject:        Re: [CESG]  Resolution SLS-R-2018-12-001  Start of CWE 
Project for “SLS Glossary of Terms”CCSDS 707.1-M Recommended Practice 
(Magenta Book)
Sent by:        "CESG" <cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org>

Peter, 
        the ultimate objective is to reduce the definitions in SANA and 
the intention is to "coordinate with / report to" SANA to accomplish this 
goal. 
It may however happen that not all books are updated at the same time as 
this would require a very big effort not currently available. 
We cannot therefore exclude that for a while SANA ma report the definition 
from the new Magenta book together with the older definitions in (some of) 
the other books. 
If there is a way for marking some definitions e.g. "obsolete" this will 
be used as appropriate. 

I think at this stage it is important that we all in SLS are aware of the 
need of coordinating with SANA and we will do that defining details at the 
right point in time. 

Regards 

Gian Paolo 

From:        "Shames, Peter M (312B)" <Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov> 
To:        "Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int" <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int> 
Cc:        Brian Oliver <brian.oliver at nasa.gov>, CCSDS CESG -- 
<cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>, Tom Gannett <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net> 
Date:        04-12-18 19:29 
Subject:        Re: [CESG] Resolution SLS-R-2018-12-001  Start of CWE 
Project for “SLS Glossary of Terms”CCSDS 707.1-M Recommended Practice 
(Magenta Book) 

Hi Gippo,

Thanks.  This addresses the second item, but it does not appear to address 
the first item at all.  In the worst case this effort could actually 
result in adding even more distinct definitions to the SANA Glossary, 
which, I hope you will agree, moves us in the wrong direction.  I think 
your team needs to address how you propose to handle this.  Will the final 
new agreed definitions all be marked as "preliminary", or will they be 
marked as "official"?  Or will you propose that the obsoleted definitions 
be marked as "obsolete" and left until the docs that created them are 
updated? 

Treating old definitions as "obsolete" or "deprecated" is the moral 
equivalent of how we treat Silver Books, they are not found in the main 
search paths, but you can still find them.  I think you need to identify 
some way to handle this and review it with the SSG and the SNA.

Thanks, Peter

From: Gian Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>
Date: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 7:01 AM
To: Peter Shames <Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: Brian Oliver <brian.oliver at nasa.gov>, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group 
- CESG Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>, Tom Gannett 
<thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
Subject: Re: [CESG] Resolution SLS-R-2018-12-001 Start of CWE Project for 
“SLS Glossary of Terms”CCSDS 707.1-M Recommended Practice (Magenta Book)

Dear Peter, 
       the proposal and the concept paper are limited to the work to be 
done on that book. 
However the items you mention are not neglected as already in Berlin the 
SLS Area agreed to look into this issues deferring however the 
implementation "as appropriate" to the point in time the other documents 
can be edited. 
This is not meaning that we do nothing in the meanwhile. Actually e-mail 
discussion were already triggered and there was also a presentation (and 
discussion) in the SLP WG about the "Glossary Issue for SLS-SLP Global 
Virtual Channel Identifier (GVCID)". 

Clearly during the work duplications and discrepant definitions will have 
to be identified to do the work. 
Once an agreement is reached for the definition to go into the new magenta 
book, the CCSDS Editor will be informed to collect the changes for other 
books (to be done when possible) and SANA will be informed accordingly. 

I hope this clarifies your doubts and Brian can proceed with the CMC Poll. 

Regards 

Gippo 

From:        "Shames, Peter M (312B)" <Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov> 
To:        "Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int" <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>, 
"Brian Oliver" <brian.oliver at nasa.gov> 
Cc:        Tom Gannett <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>, CCSDS CESG -- 
<cesg at mailman.ccsds.org> 
Date:        03-12-18 17:19 
Subject:        Re: [CESG] Resolution SLS-R-2018-12-001  Start of CWE 
Project for “SLS Glossary of Terms”CCSDS 707.1-M Recommended Practice 
(Magenta Book) 

Hi Gippo,

From the SEA and SANA points of view I am really glad to see that you are 
tackling this topic.  If it is done right it will surely be a net benefit 
to all.

Along the lines of "if it is done right", what I did not see in this 
proposal is any work relating to these two topics:

a.        Removing duplicate definitions from the SANA Glossary so that we 
just have one official set
b.        A plan to normalize the definitions in all the published 
standards so that we really have only one set of terms in use across the 
CCSDS standards and the SANA

It's not clear that either of these "clean up" tasks are part of the 
proposal.  Are they?

Thanks, Peter

From: CESG <cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of Gian Paolo 
Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>
Date: Monday, December 3, 2018 at 1:57 AM
To: Brian Oliver <brian.oliver at nasa.gov>
Cc: Tom Gannett <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>, CCSDS Engineering Steering 
Group - CESG Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>
Subject: [CESG] Resolution SLS-R-2018-12-001 Start of CWE Project for “SLS 
Glossary of Terms”CCSDS 707.1-M Recommended Practice (Magenta Book)

Dear Brian, 
    can you please start at your earliest convenience the related CMC Poll 
for the attached SLS Resolution? 

CESG is copied for information 

Best regards to you all 

Gian Paolo 

PS Relevant Concept Paper is also attached as a stand alone document and 
embedded in the resolution.
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