<span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">For your information</span>
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<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Regards</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Gian Paolo</span>
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Forwarded by Gian Paolo Calzolari/esoc/ESA on 05-12-18 11:53 -----</span>
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<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">From:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">To:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">"Shames,
Peter M (312B)" <Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov></span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Cc:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">Tom
Gannett <thomas.gannett@tgannett.net>, Brian Oliver <brian.oliver@nasa.gov>,
CCSDS CESG -- <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Date:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">05-12-18
11:53</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Subject:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">Re:
[CESG] Resolution SLS-R-2018-12-001 Start of CWE Project for
“SLS Glossary of Terms”CCSDS 707.1-M Recommended Practice (Magenta Book)</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Sent
by: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">"CESG"
<cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
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<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Peter,</span><span style=" font-size:12pt">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
the ultimate objective is to reduce the definitions
in SANA and the intention is to "coordinate with / report to"
SANA to accomplish this goal.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
It may however happen that not all books are updated at the same time as
this would require a very big effort not currently available.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
We cannot therefore exclude that for a while SANA ma report the definition
from the new Magenta book together with the older definitions in (some
of) the other books.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
If there is a way for marking some definitions e.g. "obsolete"
this will be used as appropriate.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
I think at this stage it is important that we all in SLS are aware of the
need of coordinating with SANA and we will do that defining details at
the right point in time.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> <br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
Regards</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> <br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
Gian Paolo</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> <br>
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</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
From: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">"Shames,
Peter M (312B)" <Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov></span><span style=" font-size:12pt">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
To: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">"Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int"
<Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int></span><span style=" font-size:12pt">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
Cc: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">Brian
Oliver <brian.oliver@nasa.gov>, CCSDS CESG -- <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org>,
Tom Gannett <thomas.gannett@tgannett.net></span><span style=" font-size:12pt">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
Date: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">04-12-18
19:29</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
Subject: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">Re:
[CESG] Resolution SLS-R-2018-12-001 Start of CWE Project for “SLS
Glossary of Terms”CCSDS 707.1-M Recommended Practice (Magenta Book)</span><span style=" font-size:12pt">
<br>
</span>
<hr noshade><span style=" font-size:12pt"><br>
</span>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Hi
Gippo,</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Thanks.
This addresses the second item, but it does not appear to address
the first item at all. In the worst case this effort could actually
result in adding even more distinct definitions to the SANA Glossary, which,
I hope you will agree, moves us in the wrong direction. I think your
team needs to address how you propose to handle this. Will the final
new agreed definitions all be marked as "preliminary", or will
they be marked as "official"? Or will you propose that
the obsoleted definitions be marked as "obsolete" and left until
the docs that created them are updated? </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Treating
old definitions as "obsolete" or "deprecated" is the
moral equivalent of how we treat Silver Books, they are not found in the
main search paths, but you can still find them. I think you need
to identify some way to handle this and review it with the SSG and the
SNA.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Thanks,
Peter</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri"><b>From:
</b>Gian Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int><b><br>
Date: </b>Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 7:01 AM<b><br>
To: </b>Peter Shames <Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov><b><br>
Cc: </b>Brian Oliver <brian.oliver@nasa.gov>, CCSDS Engineering Steering
Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org>, Tom Gannett <thomas.gannett@tgannett.net><b><br>
Subject: </b>Re: [CESG] Resolution SLS-R-2018-12-001 Start of CWE Project
for “SLS Glossary of Terms”CCSDS 707.1-M Recommended Practice (Magenta
Book)</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">Dear
Peter,</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
the proposal and the concept paper are limited to
the work to be done on that book.</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
However the items you mention are not neglected as already in Berlin the
SLS Area agreed to look into this issues deferring however the implementation
"as appropriate" to the point in time the other documents can
be edited.</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
This is not meaning that we do nothing in the meanwhile. Actually e-mail
discussion were already triggered and there was also a presentation (and
discussion) in the SLP WG about the "Glossary Issue for SLS-SLP Global
Virtual Channel Identifier (GVCID)".</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
<br>
Clearly during the work duplications and discrepant definitions will have
to be identified to do the work.</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
Once an agreement is reached for the definition to go into the new magenta
book, the CCSDS Editor will be informed to collect the changes for other
books (to be done when possible) and SANA will be informed accordingly.</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
<br>
I hope this clarifies your doubts and Brian can proceed with the CMC Poll.</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
<br>
Regards</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
<br>
Gippo</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> <br>
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
<br>
From: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"Shames,
Peter M (312B)" <Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov></span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
To: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int"
<Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int>, "Brian Oliver" <brian.oliver@nasa.gov></span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
Cc: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">Tom
Gannett <thomas.gannett@tgannett.net>, CCSDS CESG -- <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org></span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
Date: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">03-12-18
17:19</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
Subject: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">Re:
[CESG] Resolution SLS-R-2018-12-001 Start of CWE Project for “SLS
Glossary of Terms”CCSDS 707.1-M Recommended Practice (Magenta Book)</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:240px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt">Hi
Gippo,</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt">From
the SEA and SANA points of view I am really glad to see that you are tackling
this topic. If it is done right it will surely be a net benefit to
all.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt">Along
the lines of "if it is done right", what I did not see in this
proposal is any work relating to these two topics:</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">a.
</span><span style=" font-size:12pt">Removing
duplicate definitions from the SANA Glossary so that we just have one official
set</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">b.
</span><span style=" font-size:12pt">A plan
to normalize the definitions in all the published standards so that we
really have only one set of terms in use across the CCSDS standards and
the SANA</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt">It's
not clear that either of these "clean up" tasks are part of the
proposal. Are they?</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt">Thanks,
Peter</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt"><b>From:
</b>CESG <cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of Gian Paolo
Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int><b><br>
Date: </b>Monday, December 3, 2018 at 1:57 AM<b><br>
To: </b>Brian Oliver <brian.oliver@nasa.gov><b><br>
Cc: </b>Tom Gannett <thomas.gannett@tgannett.net>, CCSDS Engineering
Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><b><br>
Subject: </b>[CESG] Resolution SLS-R-2018-12-001 Start of CWE Project for
“SLS Glossary of Terms”CCSDS 707.1-M Recommended Practice (Magenta Book)</span></p>
<p style=";margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
<p style=";margin-Bottom:3600px"><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">Dear
Brian, <br>
can you please start at your earliest convenience the related
CMC Poll for the attached SLS Resolution?</span><span style=" font-size:12pt">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
<br>
CESG is copied for information <br>
<br>
Best regards to you all <br>
<br>
Gian Paolo <br>
<br>
PS Relevant Concept Paper is also attached as a stand alone document and
embedded in the resolution.</span></p>
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