Fwd: Re: [Sls-rfm] [Sls-slp] Table form of Prox-1 Phy Layer Data Rate Requirements and comments from NASA GSFC

Greg Kazz greg.j.kazz at jpl.nasa.gov
Thu Mar 24 13:16:30 UTC 2005


To: Prox-1 Build-2 WG members and Electra Project,

Victor Sank's (NASA GSFC) comments to the Prox-1 Physical Layer Pink Sheets 
follows.

Greg
>Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:44:47 +0100
>From: Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int
>Subject: Re: [Sls-rfm] [Sls-slp] Table form of Prox-1 Phy Layer Data  Rate
>  Requirements
>To: "Victor J. Sank" <victor.sank at gsfc.nasa.gov>
>Cc: Greg J Kazz <Greg.J.Kazz at jpl.nasa.gov>, Dennis.K.Lee at jpl.nasa.gov,
>  Wai Fong <wai.fong at gsfc.nasa.gov>
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>Victor,
>
>so far we have received your comments and Don's comments, which I endorsed
>from the ESA point of view. None were submitted in RID forms but I don't
>believe we need to be so formal.
>I will forward your e-mail to the RFM WG and I believe that Greg will do the
>same with his WG. We will discuss all inputs at the joint meeting.
>
>Regards, Enrico
>
>
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>   |        To:      Greg J Kazz <Greg.J.Kazz at jpl.nasa.gov>, 
> Dennis.K.Lee at jpl.nasa.gov                                             |
>   |        cc:      Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int, 
> wai.fong at gsfc.nasa.gov 
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>   |        Subject: Re: [Sls-rfm] [Sls-slp] Table form of Prox-1 Phy 
> Layer Data  Rate Requirements                                |
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>Greg, Dennis,
>Administrative:
>         Please be carful to put a proper date in the document header where it
>says DATE:
>Your document has an Automatic date which is no good, it shows current data
>every time someone opens the document instead of the actual intended creation
>date.
>
>Technical:
>         prox1_datarage_rqmts_pinksheets 3-21-05 DL.doc   states
>"Because its symbol clock is derived by dividing down the USO frequency which
>in most cases is not an exact multiple of the Prox-1 specified data rates,
>Electra dithers the number of samples per symbol to insure that the average
>symbol rate is equal to the value in the specification in order to achieve an
>average symbol rate matching the Prox-1 specification.  This can cause a
>fairly large deviation in symbol period from one symbol to another (up to 7%
>[1]), in particular when there are relatively few samples per symbol at the
>high symbol rates."
>         Suggest you change the point of view in the Prox 1 specification.
>Use the oscillator as the defining item for the data rate and accept that it
>will not be exactly 1 Kbps or whatever the goal is.  For example, for ST5 we
>have a 9.625 MHz oscillator that is used to define the data rates.  The rates
>are Rj = 9.625 MHz/n, where n is an integer.  Our 100 Kbps data rate is
>actually 100.26 Kbps, 200 Kbps is actually 200.52 Kbps and 1 Kbps is actually
>1.0001 Kbps.  % jitter 0.26% worst case in these examples.  In our case, the
>bit synch on the receive side can easily track the actual data rate even when
>set to the approximate value.  I assume, but do not know for sure, that in
>the case of Prox1 equipment, the situation is similar.  By doing things this
>way, the jitter is very low which is important to the spectrum purity,
>receiver and receiving bit synch.  The trade off is low jitter but maybe some
>tracking loop stress.  We have not had acquisition problems even when setting
>the approximate data rate.
>         I am suggesting that the receiving bit synch can handle the loop
>stress better than the jitter.
>
>Enrico,
>         I do not want to put this in an official RID unless you think it
>should be.
>
>Victor
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>Victor
>
>
>At 09:17 AM 3/22/2005 +0100, Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int wrote:
>       For consideration at the joint meeting in Athens.
>
>       Regards, Enrico
>
>       ----- Forwarded by Enrico Vassallo/esoc/ESA on 22/03/2005 09:17 -----
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>       |         |           Greg Kazz             |
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>
>       All,
>
>       Attached is a file containing the Prox-1 Physical Layer Pink Sheets -
>       Data
>       Rate Requirements in Tabular Form from Dennis Lee. These pink sheets
>       contain the same information as the previous set, however reformated
>       into a
>       table so that it's easier to understand. These are the pink sheets that
>       I
>       plan to discuss at our joint meeting with RF&MOD in Athens.
>
>       Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns and cc: Dennis
>       Lee
>
>       best regards,
>
>       Greg Kazz
>       Chairman Prox-1 Build-2 WG(See attached file:
>       prox1_datarate_rqmts_pinksheets
>       3-21-05 DL.doc)_______________________________________________
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