[SLS-CC] Fw: CCSDS 732 section 4.1.2.6 Header Error Control
Marco.Rovatti at esa.int
Marco.Rovatti at esa.int
Mon Sep 20 15:59:19 UTC 2021
Dear Andrea,
All the reasons identified by Victor's e-mail below, provide a fair
rational for deletion of the Frame Header Error Control field from the AOS
Standard, except the misuse, which cannot be charged on AOS's bill.
The additional overhead it's also of a lesser concern, since it s only
around 0.1%.
In any case, we have currently several missions in EU that use the AOS
including FHEC field, and more are in the pipeline (e.g. the six
Copernicus Expansion Missions) with the same frame format configuration.
Therefore, as a first reaction, I would not be in favour of removing the
FHEC field from the AOS book, since by doing this we would make the new
missions non-compliant.
Moreover, the FHEC field is optional, each mission who does not need it,
can opt-out. In this respect, the standard is already providing sufficient
flexibility.
So, all in all, while I see some advantages in removing the FHEC I also
see an equal amount of benefits leaving it in the book.
Nevertheless, I will survey internally, both on-board and on-ground teams
in ESA to gather an Agency's view averaged across different departments.
I'll let you know soon.
In any case, message to SLS-SLP, even if the final decision were to remove
it, I would do it "gracefully".
We could in principle find a way to indicate kind of "not recommended for
new design" clause/note in the next version of 732.0 book and in 5 or 10
years (i.e. one or two review cycles) we will eventually remove it.
Cheers
Marco
From: Andrea.Modenini at esa.int
To: "Space Link Coding & Synchronization Working Group"
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Cc: "Greg Kazz" <Greg.J.Kazz at jpl.nasa.gov>, "Matthew Cosby"
<Matt.Cosby at Goonhilly.org>
Date: 17/09/2021 11:41
Subject: [SLS-CC] Fw: CCSDS 732 section 4.1.2.6 Header Error
Control
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Dear all,
JPL and GSFC brought to my attention that CCSDS 732, Section 4.1.2.6,
specifies a shortened RS code that was originally meant for uncoded or
convolutional only coded telemetry links.
However (see Victor's email below) it was found that this specification
was often misused, just becoming an additional overhead for the link.
Additionally, the specification itself appears incomplete, leaving
ambiguities to its actual implementation.
For this reason, JPL and GSFC are proposing to eliminate it.
Could you please pool your Agencies, and let me know your position no
later than 1st October 2021?
So that C&S WG can then formalise its position to SLP before next Fall
Meeting.
Kind Regards
ESA - European Space Agency
Ph.D. Andrea Modenini
TT&C Communications Systems Engineer
TT&C and PDT Systems & Techniques Section (TEC-EST)
RF Systems Division
ESTEC
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From: "Sank, Victor J. (GSFC-567.0)[SCIENCE SYSTEMS AND
APPLICATIONS INC]" <victor.j.sank at nasa.gov>
To: "Andrea.Modenini at esa.int" <Andrea.Modenini at esa.int>
Cc: "Rodriguez, Shannon (GSFC-5670)"
<shannon.rodriguez-1 at nasa.gov>, "Kazz, Greg J (JPL-312B)[JPL Employee]"
<greg.j.kazz at jpl.nasa.gov>, "Fong, Wai H. (GSFC-5670)"
<wai.h.fong at nasa.gov>, "Andrews, Kenneth S (JPL-332B)[JPL Employee]"
<kenneth.s.andrews at jpl.nasa.gov>, "Hamkins, Jon (JPL-3300)[JPL Employee]"
<jon.hamkins at jpl.nasa.gov>
Date: 15-09-21 21:09
Subject: CCSDS 732 section 4.1.2.6 Header Error Control
Andrea,
There is a shortened 15,11 RS code (q = 1 so shortened to
14,10) in the CCSDS 732.0-B-3 book section 4.1.2.6 that is specified for
use in the transfer frame header that we believe is a hang over from the
days before the popular use of RS or other more powerful block codes that
get applied to the entire transfer frame. It is intended for the case of
convolution only code or the case of no error correction code. We have
had a few missions miss use this code and were wondering if CCSDS should
remove it from the 732 book. You can see from the email from Greg below
that JPL has no missions that use this code and over the last
approximately 20 years, GSFC is only aware of it being used where it was
not intended. It is also odd that this code is only specified in the 732
book and not the 131 books.
Being a shortened code, I find the specification incomplete.
As a shortened code it is necessary to specify where the virtual fill
should go, at the beginning or at the end (or else ware). In addition, it
is not specified what value the virtual fill nibble (4 bits) should be.
Most common would be all zeros, but it needs to be specified. Without
these additional details, a ground station receiver vendor would have to
make these parameters user selectable. The protection leaves out the VCID
count, it only covers the MCID, VCID and Signaling Field. Seems to me an
error in the VCID counter can make the frame useless. Using this header
code makes the primary header 8 bytes long which I do not think is
specified any where else.
Your thoughts please and if you agree, can you ask each C&S
WG member to poll their respective agency so at the next meeting we can
discuss the possibility of eliminating it from the 732.0 blue book?
Thanks,
Victor
From: Kazz, Greg J (US 312B) <greg.j.kazz at jpl.nasa.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 11:41 AM
To: Sank, Victor J. (GSFC-567.0)[SCIENCE SYSTEMS AND APPLICATIONS INC] <
victor.j.sank at nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Minor wording in CCSDS 732 section 4.1.2.6
Header Error Control
Victor,
At least at JPL, no mission uses the AOS transfer frame header error
control. It would be worthwhile if you ask Andrea that each C&S WG member
poll their respective agency to see if at the next meeting we could see if
it could be eliminated from the 732.0 blue book.
Greg
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