[Sis-dtn] [EXT] Re: CESG-P-2025-01-004 Approval to publish CCSDS 734.20-O-1, CCSDS Bundle Protocol Version 7 Specification (Orange Book, Issue 1)

Tue Feb 18 18:27:59 UTC 2025

Tomaso,

Thanks.  That makes sense.  

Team – we have concurrence from Ignacio.  Where are we with the Annex B mods?  

(I shudder to think whether those will require another round of agency review for the BPv7 Blue Book.)

Are we ready to ask Tomaso to request a CMC poll?  Who has the “master” copy after last week’s discussion?

Thanks,
Bob

From: Tomaso.deCola at dlr.de <Tomaso.deCola at dlr.de> 
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2025 9:43 AM
To: Robert C Durst <durst at mitre.org>
Cc: sis-dtn at mailman.ccsds.org
Subject: FW: [EXT] Re: CESG-P-2025-01-004 Approval to publish CCSDS 734.20-O-1, CCSDS Bundle Protocol Version 7 Specification (Orange Book, Issue 1)

Hi Bob, Based on the closure of the RIDs from Ignacio, I’d suggest to close the orange book asap so that I can request a CMC poll for the publication approval and then let’s see how long it will take. Regards, Tomaso From: de Cola, Tomaso Sent: 

Hi Bob,

Based on the closure of the RIDs from Ignacio, I’d suggest to close the orange book asap so that I can request a CMC poll for the publication approval and then let’s see how long it will take.

Regards,

Tomaso

From: de Cola, Tomaso 
Sent: Dienstag, 18. Februar 2025 10:55
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Subject: RE: [EXT] Re: CESG-P-2025-01-004 Approval to publish CCSDS 734.20-O-1, CCSDS Bundle Protocol Version 7 Specification (Orange Book, Issue 1)

Thank you for the re-confirmation, I’ve probably missed your answer to the last email from Bob.

Best Regards,

Tomaso

From: Ignacio Aguilar Sanchez <Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int <mailto:Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int> > 
Sent: Dienstag, 18. Februar 2025 09:29
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Subject: RE: [EXT] Re: CESG-P-2025-01-004 Approval to publish CCSDS 734.20-O-1, CCSDS Bundle Protocol Version 7 Specification (Orange Book, Issue 1)

Dear Tomaso,

I think I already did it but in any case, I can confirm again.

Kind regards,

Ignacio

Ignacio Aguilar Sánchez
Communication Systems Engineer
Electrical Engineering Department

European Space Research and Technology Centre
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From: Tomaso.deCola at dlr.de <mailto:Tomaso.deCola at dlr.de>  <Tomaso.deCola at dlr.de <mailto:Tomaso.deCola at dlr.de> > 
Sent: 18 February 2025 09:09
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Subject: RE: [EXT] Re: CESG-P-2025-01-004 Approval to publish CCSDS 734.20-O-1, CCSDS Bundle Protocol Version 7 Specification (Orange Book, Issue 1)

Dear Ignacio, 

Can you please confirm that all the points raised in your CESG RIDs can be now considered closed, so that we can move on with the CMC poll for the publication of the book?

Thank you,

Tomaso

From: Robert C Durst <durst at mitre.org <mailto:durst at mitre.org> > 
Sent: Montag, 10. Februar 2025 15:12
To: Ignacio Aguilar Sanchez <Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int <mailto:Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int> >
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Subject: RE: [EXT] Re: CESG-P-2025-01-004 Approval to publish CCSDS 734.20-O-1, CCSDS Bundle Protocol Version 7 Specification (Orange Book, Issue 1)

Ignacio,

Thank you first for your comments to improve the draft Orange Book and second for your review of (and concurrence with!) our changes to address those comments.  

To your question about whether the definition of “reliability” implies the provision of in-order delivery, completeness, and de-duplication, in general the answer is “yes,” although that’s not a discussion we wanted to dive into in the draft Orange Book.  (Correctness of data is also implicit in a definition of reliability – in Bundle Protocol, this is assured by the Bundle Integrity Block of BPSec.)

Thanks again,

Bob

From: Ignacio Aguilar Sanchez <Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int <mailto:Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int> > 
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2025 4:05 AM
To: Robert C Durst <durst at mitre.org <mailto:durst at mitre.org> >
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Subject: RE: [EXT] Re: CESG-P-2025-01-004 Approval to publish CCSDS 734.20-O-1, CCSDS Bundle Protocol Version 7 Specification (Orange Book, Issue 1)

Hi Bob, I have just looked at the proposed updates for the document. They are fine with me. I am attaching a version of your Word file with feedback to my comments (acceptances for closure as well as my understanding of a question I raised). 

Hi Bob,

I have just looked at the proposed updates for the document.

They are fine with me.

I am attaching a version of your Word file with feedback to my comments (acceptances for closure as well as my understanding of a question I raised).

Kind regards,

Ignacio

Ignacio Aguilar Sánchez
Communication Systems Engineer
Electrical Engineering Department

European Space Research and Technology Centre
Keplerlaan 1, PO Box 299, 2200 AG Noordwijk, The Netherlands

Mob.+31641360257
Fax  +31715655418
Email:  <mailto:ignacio.aguilar.sanchez at esa.int> ignacio.aguilar.sanchez at esa.int
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From: Robert C Durst <durst at mitre.org <mailto:durst at mitre.org> > 
Sent: 06 February 2025 18:23
To: Ignacio Aguilar Sanchez <Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int <mailto:Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int> >
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Subject: RE: [EXT] Re: CESG-P-2025-01-004 Approval to publish CCSDS 734.20-O-1, CCSDS Bundle Protocol Version 7 Specification (Orange Book, Issue 1)

Hi Ignacio,

Thanks for your comments on the draft BPv7 Orange Book.  We believe that we have addressed your comments in the attached update to the draft.  Could you please look at our proposed updates in response to your comments – refer to sections 2.2, 2.4, and 3.2.2 and let us know if this resolves your concerns.

Please note that we are addressing additional comments related to other sections of the document, and so the document may change in other areas (primarily the Convergence Layer Adapter annex).

We look forward to your response.  If you have questions or comments, please feel free to contact me at your convenience.  

Kind regards,

Bob Durst

Robert C. Durst

Chair, CCSDS SIS DTN Working Group

Chief Engineer, Infrastructure and Networking Innovation Center

The MITRE Corporation

Office: +1 703-983-7535

Mobile: +1 703-217-7414

Email:  <mailto:durst at mitre.org> durst at mitre.org

From: CCSDS Secretariat <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net <mailto:thomas.gannett at tgannett.net> > 
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2025 11:51 AM
To: Robert C Durst <durst at mitre.org <mailto:durst at mitre.org> >
Cc: Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int <mailto:Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez at esa.int> 
Subject: [EXT] Re: CESG-P-2025-01-004 Approval to publish CCSDS 734.20-O-1, CCSDS Bundle Protocol Version 7 Specification (Orange Book, Issue 1)

Dear Document Rapporteur, The CESG poll to approve publication of CCSDS 734. 20-O-1, CCSDS Bundle Protocol Version 7 Specification (Orange Book, Issue 1) concluded with conditions. Please negotiate disposition of the conditions directly with

Dear Document Rapporteur,

The CESG poll to approve publication of CCSDS 734.20-O-1, CCSDS Bundle Protocol Version 7 Specification (Orange Book, Issue 1) concluded with conditions. Please negotiate disposition of the conditions directly with the AD(s) who voted to approve with conditions and CC the Secretariat on all related correspondence.

CESG E-Poll Identifier:  CESG-P-2025-01-004 Approval to publish CCSDS 734.20-O-1, CCSDS Bundle Protocol Version 7 Specification (Orange Book, Issue 1)

Results of CESG poll beginning 6 January 2025 and ending 27 January 2025:

                 Abstain:  0 (0%)  
 Approve Unconditionally:  3 (75%) (Barkley, Cola, Singh)
 Approve with Conditions:  1 (25%) (Aguilar Sanchez)
 Disapprove with Comment:  0 (0%)  

CONDITIONS/COMMENTS:

     Erik Barkley (Approve Unconditionally):  Let me emphasize this is not a condition.  I will note that CESG may wish to discuss how to properly track the addtion of "orange" extenstions into "blue" registries -- the organge book here indicates new fields for the SANA SS&A registry.  That's fine, but as an "experimental" recommendation, is the new information also considered "experimental"?  (Note that there has never been a CCSDS data management policy developed, and I think this is another example of why a data management policy is needed).

     Ignacio Aguilar Sanchez (Approve with Conditions):  Condition 1. On subsection 2.2, second paragraph it is mentioned that a bundle endpoint can have zero bundle nodes. Can you explain why and eventually document the answer in an approprite place of the document?

Condition 2. On the same paragraph referred to above, the notion of 'anonymous' bundles is mentioned. Can you explain why such bundles are needed and what is their purpose? Again please document the answer in an appropriate place of the document.

Condition 3. On subsection 2.4, the services not supported by this specification are stated. The paragraph underneath points to reliable CLAs and/or application-level reliability mechanism to improve reliability. Does reliability imply the provision of services a), b) and c) mentioned above? Please confirm.

Condition 4. Sentence in clause 3.2.2 is not understood. Is the purpose to deny only or to support only bundles with dtn:none? Depending on the answer there might be a typo on the verb used in the sentence or perhaps a rephrase may be needed. Note that I am not a native English speaker.

     Simon Singh (Approve Unconditionally):  This is being published to meet the requrements of LunaNet community. However, it does requre some corrections. My understanding is that these corrections can be provided as Errata Sheets and that LunaNet community has agreed to it. Alternative would be to correct the document before publishing it. SIS can decide the best way forward. 

This is revision of my earlier vote, although the approval rating has not changed.

This is being published to meet the requrements of LunaNet community. However, it does requre some corrections, provided as comments in the attached document. LunaNet community has been provided with a draft copy of the document, i.e. the version which is the subject of this poll. Recommendation is that attached comments should be addressed in the publication of the Orange Book. 

Total Respondents:  4

No response was received from the following Area(s):

     SEA
     MOIMS
     SOIS

SECRETARIAT INTERPRETATION OF RESULTS:  Approved with Conditions
PROPOSED SECRETARIAT ACTION:            Generate CMC poll after conditions have been addressed

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