[Sea-sa] [EXTERNAL] RE: RASIM update planning

Wed Jul 10 21:38:28 UTC 2024

Hi Robert,

Happy to have you provide whatever ontology feedback you can.  I understand that you have a useful background, but that you do not have funding, so that may prove to be an impediment to progress.

As for AI, I agree that this whole field is still in a state of ferment and that there are potential issues, ethical, “hallucinatory”, and otherwise.  That said, we are not going to do a treatise on the subject.  What we plan to do is to acknowledge that AI system essentially constitute a specialized set of repositories and specialized “data product” engines.  We are thinking we will do something similar, but focused on the deployment aspects, with cloud and containerization.

Cheers, Peter

From: Robert Rovetto <ontologos at yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, July 8, 2024 at 6:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [Sea-sa] [EXTERNAL] RE: RASIM update planning
Ill serve as a go-to for ontology topics. Please contact me on or offlist whenever its discussed.

But id recommend exercising caution with regard to potentially incorporating any trending topic, include llm or that. There is a lot of unknowns, cautionary experiences to date, and ethical issues related to both.

Respectfully,
Robert Rovetto
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On Tuesday, July 9, 2024 at 07:54:59 AM GMT+10, Shames, Peter M (US 312B) via SEA-SA <sea-sa at mailman.ccsds.org> wrote:

I’ll be in London.  Look forward to visiting face to face (or beer to beer).

Please do check RASIM.  We can provide you with the extensions that we think are most needed, which trend into virtualization, web/cloud deployment, containerization, and the like.  We are also talking about beefing up the whole ontology / LLM aspect.  A certain amount of this is less to do with info arch and more to do with deployment patterns, but we think it is useful to discuss those trends.

Those two diagrams were intended to sketch this out.  Does this make sense to you?

Cheers, Peter

From: david at giaretta.org <david at giaretta.org>
Date: Monday, July 8, 2024 at 2:09 PM
To: Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: 'SEA-SA' <sea-sa at mailman.ccsds.org>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: RASIM update planning

Hi Peter

Thanks for the invitation. I can join and I’ll ask other DAI folk. However, I have a regular meeting on Mondays starting 30 mins after yours, so I may have to duck out for a short time.

I will have to go through RASIM to remind myself of the context and finer details.

I hope to see you in London. My recollection is that we owed each other a beer.

Regards

David

From: Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2024 5:34 PM
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Subject: RASIM update planning

Hi David,

I hope all is well with you.  Good to see you on the ISO call the other day.  You seem to be making progress with the ISO on processes, and that is a very good thing.

We just had the monthly meeting of the SEA SAWG crew that is focused on architecture.  The RASIM is the next major document that the SAWG is to tackle; we have started to discuss how to make progress on the RASIM updates and think we have identified a person to lead that effort.   We discussed these topics, in general, at the last SAWG working meetings.

Is the DAI WG still interested in this?  Will you be able to attend the next SAWG meeting, which is scheduled for 12 August at 0700 PDT?

I’d like to hear from you and learn if this is of value.  We have discussed a couple revisions and some new diagrams.  I’ve attached a couple for your consideration that will give you an idea of what we are considering.

Best regards, Peter

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