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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Robert,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Happy to have you provide whatever ontology feedback you can. I understand that you have a useful background, but that you do not have funding, so that may prove to be an impediment to progress.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">As for AI, I agree that this whole field is still in a state of ferment and that there are potential issues, ethical, “hallucinatory”, and otherwise. That said, we are not going to do a treatise on the subject.
What we plan to do is to acknowledge that AI system essentially constitute a specialized set of repositories and specialized “data product” engines. We are thinking we will do something similar, but focused on the deployment aspects, with cloud and containerization.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Cheers, Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Monday, July 8, 2024 at 6:00</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black">PM<br>
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<b>Cc: </b>'SEA-SA' <sea-sa@mailman.ccsds.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Sea-sa] [EXTERNAL] RE: RASIM update planning<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Ill serve as a go-to for ontology topics. Please contact me on or offlist whenever its discussed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">But id recommend exercising caution with regard to potentially incorporating any trending topic, include llm or that. There is a lot of unknowns, cautionary experiences to date, and ethical issues
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">On Tuesday, July 9, 2024 at 07:54:59 AM GMT+10, Shames, Peter M (US 312B) via SEA-SA <sea-sa@mailman.ccsds.org> wrote:
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<p class="ydpb2ba54d0yiv8181507027msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">I’ll be in London. Look forward to visiting face to face (or beer to beer).</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydpb2ba54d0yiv8181507027msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">Please do check RASIM. We can provide you with the extensions that we think are most needed, which trend into virtualization, web/cloud deployment,
containerization, and the like. We are also talking about beefing up the whole ontology / LLM aspect. A certain amount of this is less to do with info arch and more to do with deployment patterns, but we think it is useful to discuss those trends.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydpb2ba54d0yiv8181507027msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">Those two diagrams were intended to sketch this out. Does this make sense to you?</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydpb2ba54d0yiv8181507027msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">Cheers, Peter</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Monday, July 8, 2024 at 2:09</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><br>
<b>Cc: </b>'SEA-SA' <sea-sa@mailman.ccsds.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] RE: RASIM update planning</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydpb2ba54d0yiv8181507027msonormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">Hi Peter</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydpb2ba54d0yiv8181507027msonormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">Thanks for the invitation. I can join and I’ll ask other DAI folk. However, I have a regular meeting on Mondays starting 30 mins
after yours, so I may have to duck out for a short time.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="ydpb2ba54d0yiv8181507027msonormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">I will have to go through RASIM to remind myself of the context and finer details.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydpb2ba54d0yiv8181507027msonormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">I hope to see you in London. My recollection is that we owed each other a beer.
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<p class="ydpb2ba54d0yiv8181507027msonormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">Regards</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydpb2ba54d0yiv8181507027msonormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">David</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydpb2ba54d0yiv8181507027msonormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 8, 2024 5:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Giaretta (david@giaretta.org) <david@giaretta.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> SEA-SA (sea-sa@mailman.ccsds.org) <sea-sa@mailman.ccsds.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RASIM update planning</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydpb2ba54d0yiv8181507027msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">Hi David,</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydpb2ba54d0yiv8181507027msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">I hope all is well with you. Good to see you on the ISO call the other day. You seem to be making progress with the ISO on processes, and
that is a very good thing.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydpb2ba54d0yiv8181507027msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#212121">We just had the monthly meeting of the SEA SAWG crew that is focused on architecture. The RASIM is the next major document that the SAWG
is to tackle; we have started to discuss how to make progress on the RASIM updates and think we have identified a person to lead that effort. We discussed these topics, in general, at the last SAWG working meetings.
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<p class="ydpb2ba54d0yiv8181507027msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#212121">Is the DAI WG still interested in this? Will you be able to attend the next SAWG meeting, which is scheduled for 12 August at 0700 PDT?</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydpb2ba54d0yiv8181507027msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#212121">I’d like to hear from you and learn if this is of value. We have discussed a couple revisions and some new diagrams. I’ve attached a couple
for your consideration that will give you an idea of what we are considering.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydpb2ba54d0yiv8181507027msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#212121">Best regards, Peter</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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