[Sea-sa] As far as I got ...

[Shames, Peter M (312B)]

Hi Roger,

Somehow I missed this.  Too much stuff on my plate.

My concern with those 'sections as “future”' is that the way you have proposed to handle them just felt way too obscure.   In the SCCS-ADD & ARD we adopted the approach of marking all standards that were not yet Blue Books, or Magenta Books, as [Future].  In the Sec 1.7 References we only included those documents that had been published and had proper CCSDS pubs number assigned.   In some of the sections where we did include discussions of [Future] protocols we included a table of "Referenced" protocols where we explicitly identified "White Books" and even "White Papers" that were in development, but we included these in the Informative Annex D.  Table 6-2 on pg 6-4 of CCSDS 901x1m1 (attached here) is a good example.  And see [Future} sprinkled liberally throughput the doc.

I have the real concern that not clearly indicating the real status of these in progress, future, or speculative standards is, in effect, hiding the really important bits in the "fine print".  I think we should assiduously avoid that.

I hope you understand where I am coming from.  And, having already been down this path with CESG approval of those aforementioned SCCS docs, I am guessing this will run smack into the same head-winds.  Let's tack off while there is time and avoid all of that.

Ok?

Sorry about the whacks to your template.  I had to have a work-around for that other problem or I would not have been able to get anything done.

Peter




From: Roger Thompson <roger.rocketbrain at btinternet.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 6:38 AM
To: Peter Shames <Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov>, Ramon Krosley <r.krosley at andropogon.org>
Subject: RE: As far as I got ...

Hi Peter,

I am back from my travels, but have several actions to fulfil with my MPS WG hat on before their next telecon.  I will go through your changes when I have made some progress there.

I had a quick scan – only comment is that I know you want to mark sections as “future”, but I think what you are proposing is too broad brush.  There are several sections you propose to mark as “Future” that have extant standards in them, and others that are being actively worked on that I do not think should be treated the same as those that are simply on the roadmap.  I would propose the latter are marked as “under development”.

Your cut and paste appears to have removed the underlying template, so I hope you don’t mind if I reinstate when I next work on it, as none of my productivity tools are available.
As far as hardware compatibility is concerned, perhaps it is time for both of us to break with our allegiance with competing dinosaur technologies and get chrome books!

Cheers,

Roger

From: Shames, Peter M (312B) [mailto:Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov]
Sent: 19 February 2019 01:40
To: Ramon Krosley
Cc: Roger Thompson
Subject: As far as I got ...

Hi Ray & Roger,

I made pretty good progress, but am still only about 2/3 of the way through the document.  I got as far as Pg 134, (new) sec 7.3.2.  This used to be sec 7.4.2, but I deleted a section and Roger requested and have not updated the ToC.

I'm not sure I told you this, but I was having the devil of a time with editing this doc on my Mac.  "Sluggish" does not begin to do it justice.  I've seen this before with Word docs that a) get extensive editing and b) are exchanged between Mac and PC systems.  The cure was to do the following:
1.      Turn on "Show/Hide PP"
2.      Go to the very end of the document
3.      Place the cursor BEFORE the last PP marker
4.      Select everything from there to the beginning of the document
5.      Copy and paste into a blank Word doc

This gets rid of all the cruft.  The downside is that you also lose a lot of the edit trail.  Knowing that I did an "accept all" before I did this.  The upside is that there is then a nice, clean, easy to edit, easy to see new tracks in, document which works the way it is supposed to instead of delaying by a few seconds on each
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Please see the stuff I changed up to the point I stopped.  Please do not edit sections I have not yet gotten too.  That will make my life easier since I intend to get through the whole thing before the end of this coming week.  There are many direct edits and also inserted text and comments where I had questions.  I think it will be pretty evident, especially taken in conjunction with what we have already kicked around by email.

And just ask if anything makes no sense.

Thanks, Peter


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