[Sea-sa] SAWG Deputy WG Chair

Mon May 2 23:33:34 UTC 2016

I agree, it’s worth checking with CMC for candidates.

From: Eduardo W. Bergamini [mailto:e.w.bergamini at uol.com.br] 
Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2016 7:30 PM
To: Peter M. Shames, Dr. - Director of CCSDS SEA Area - SA WG Chair <Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: Ramon Krosley, Mr. - Andropogon / SA WG of SEA/CESG/CCSDS <r.krosley at andropogon.org>; SEA-SA-CCSDS <sea-sa at mailman.ccsds.org>
Subject: Re:Re: [Sea-sa] SAWG Deputy WG Chair

Dear Peter,

I understood your opportune comments and also agree with your conclusive proposal. 

Thank you.

With my best regards,

Eduardo

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From:  <mailto:peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov> Shames, Peter M (312B) 

Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2016 10:12 PM

To:  <mailto:e.w.bergamini at uol.com.br> Eduardo W. Bergamini 

Cc:  <mailto:r.krosley at andropogon.org> Ramon Krosley, Mr. - Andropogon / SA WG of SEA/CESG/CCSDS ;  <mailto:sea-sa at mailman.ccsds.org> SEA-SA-CCSDS 

Subject: Re: [Sea-sa] SAWG Deputy WG Chair

Deear Eduardo & Ramon,

My thanks to both of you for taking the time to provide thoughtful comments on this.

The role of WG Deputy Chair is not even really defined in the CCSDS Procedures because it was never seen as essential.  That said, it is indeed useful in that it provides a “backstop” for the WG Chair, offers the opportunity to broaden agency involvement, and is a path into leadership for those who wish to expore that.  At present many of the WG now have deputies, in part because this has been informally encouraged by the CESG Chair.

I do not think that it is a significant resource commitment because the level of support necessary to provide WG continuity can probably be provided by anyone who is paying attention to what the WG is doing at any given time.  Figuring out the path forward does, however, take more effort.

So the questions remain: do we ned a WG deputy chair and is anyone interested in that role.

I am open to the possibility, and so if no one wishes to step up, and if no one strongly objects to the idea itself, I will ask the CMC if they have any candidates.  Agreed?

Thanks, Peter

From: Eduardo Bergamini <e.w.bergamini at uol.com.br <mailto:e.w.bergamini at uol.com.br> >
Date: Sunday, May 1, 2016 at 3:04 PM
To: Peter Shames <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov> >
Cc: Ramon Krosley <r.krosley at andropogon.org <mailto:r.krosley at andropogon.org> >, SEA-SA <sea-sa at mailman.ccsds.org <mailto:sea-sa at mailman.ccsds.org> >
Subject: Re:RE: [Sea-sa] SAWG Deputy WG Chair

Dear Peter,

I think I understood the essence of Ramon’s comment.

In particular, I appreciated his conclusive comment ...

“It appears that appointing a deputy chair would incur no cost on the working group, and could add to the working capacity of the group.”

considering that we are much aware of the critical importance of 

adding men-months power to the SA WG and, hopefully, perhaps,

alleviate the heavy working load you have in your hands, so far.

at the same time, to Ramon’s judicious comment ...

“That’s a non-trivial level of commitment” 

I would add that, if the deputy may eventually share or temporarily 

take over, partially or not, the work load and responsibility of the 

WG Chairman, continuity of the on going work of the WG would be

better guarantee.

I have a very clear view of the -very- stringent man power limitations

within CESG but, at the same time, I also understand that CESG 

Directorship and CMC can handle this issue should a proposal come

out from SEA - SA WG.

Kind regards,

Eduardo

P.S. For obvious reasons, I take the opportunity to ENCLOSE the 

final slide of INPE Report to the CMC meeting, as presented last 

Thursday.

ENCLOSURE: slide

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From:  <mailto:r.krosley at andropogon.org> Ramon Krosley

Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2016 6:15 PM

To:  <mailto:peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov> 'Shames, Peter M (312B)' ;  <mailto:e.w.bergamini at uol.com.br> 'Eduardo W. Bergamini'

Cc:  <mailto:sea-sa at mailman.ccsds.org> 'SEA-SA-CCSDS'

Subject: RE: [Sea-sa] SAWG Deputy WG Chair

The role of the deputy chair in the CCSDS organization book seems to be to serve where and when the chair cannot.  That’s a non-trivial level of commitment, even if it is never invoked, because the deputy must be ready.  It’s probably beneficial to draw the deputy from an agency different from that of the chair, in order to recognize the breadth of importance of the work of the group among agencies.

I saw a spread sheet a few years ago that showed that a significant number of working groups had no co-chair (which I think is the same a deputy).  If I remember correctly, there were as much as a third of the working groups in that status at that time.  I don’t know how that situation has evolved, but its current state compared to the previous state would tell us something about the value of deputies in the CCSDS organization.

It appears that appointing a deputy chair would incur no cost on the working group, and could add to the working capacity of the group.

Ramon

From: sea-sa-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org <mailto:sea-sa-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org>  [mailto:sea-sa-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Shames, Peter M (312B)
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 2:39 PM
To: Eduardo W. Bergamini <e.w.bergamini at uol.com.br <mailto:e.w.bergamini at uol.com.br> >
Cc: SEA-SA-CCSDS <sea-sa at mailman.ccsds.org <mailto:sea-sa at mailman.ccsds.org> >
Subject: Re: [Sea-sa] SAWG Deputy WG Chair

Dear Eduardo,

Thank you for the kind words and support.  I understand that your agency may not be in a positin to directly contribute at this time, but your support is always welcome and has helped.

Best regards, Peter

From: Eduardo Bergamini <e.w.bergamini at uol.com.br <mailto:e.w.bergamini at uol.com.br> >
Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 1:33 PM
To: Peter Shames <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov> >
Cc: SEA-SA <sea-sa at mailman.ccsds.org <mailto:sea-sa at mailman.ccsds.org> >
Subject: Re: [Sea-sa] SAWG Deputy WG Chair

Dear Peter,

I appreciate your efficiency in presenting this issue that was brought up in our CMC 

meeting we are helding here, in INPE. I had the privilege to be in the meeting where

this question was posed to you by one of our attendants.

>From my perspective, aware of the overall context of the discussions at the moment

the question was posed to you, I got the feeling that it came up, I would express it, 

accidentally. I say it, because the main theme which was under dicussion was not 

centered on this type of subject, at that moment. Just that.

As you are more aware than all of us, I understand that the major concern of SA WG 

at this stage of the work is to accumulate, as possible more, more man-hour power 

than other potentials, which may also be important.

>From my part, I can readily express you that I have no proposal, at all, for a Deputy

WG Chair. In fact, this issue came up to my mind only as a result of your addressing 

to us, as expressed. I do hope that, yes, SA WG may gradually count on an increase

in the men-hours it is in need to.

Thank you for your kind pondering, Peter. 

Congratulations for what SA WG is gradually achieving. In my opinion, and you know 

quite well, why, a very important initiative for CCSDS.

Kind regards,

Eduardo

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From: <mailto:peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov> Shames, Peter M (312B)

Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 4:08 PM

To: <mailto:sea-sa at mailman.ccsds.org> SEA-SA

Subject: [Sea-sa] SAWG Deputy WG Chair

Dear SAWG team,

During today’s CESG report to the CMC the question was raised as to whether we needed / wanted a Deputy WG chair.  I am bringing the question to you.  Here are the questions we need to answer:

1.	Do we want Deputy System Architecture WG Chair?  There is no requirement for one, but we can appoint one if we see value. 
2.	If the answer is yes, then are any of you interested in that role?   The WG Chair role is described in the CCSDS Org & Proc doc, CCSDS A02x1y4c1, which is found on the CCSDS web site.  Look particularly at section 2.3.3.4. 
3.	If we do decide we want a Deputy WG Chair I will, as a courtesy, ask the CMC if any of the agencies have a suitable candidate.  Since there is some prestige associated with having a WG chair or deputy some agencies may propose other people, which also means more resources, always a good thing. 
4.	Depending on the outcome of all of this, which will take at least three-four weeks, we will pick a Deputy WG Chair and I will propose it to the CESG for concurrence.

So …

Do we want Deputy System Architecture WG Chair?

Are any of you interested in that role?

Answers please by close of business, California time, Monday, 2 May 2016.

Thanks, Peter

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