[MOIMS] [CESG] Fw: RID template in excel format - for comments
David Giaretta
david at giaretta.org
Wed Feb 7 10:30:37 UTC 2018
Hi Mario
Presumably the idea is that an Agency or Organisation (I'll use Agency below
for brevity) collects RIDS in a spreadsheet like the one labelled "Agency or
Org" and these are reviewed by an Agency Review Team which produces a
spreadsheet of Agency Consolidated RIDs like the one labelled "Consolidated
Comments".
All the "Consolidated Comments" spreadsheets from the Agencies are collected
by the WG and the WG Review Team makes responses to the originator (copied
to the Agency team) and proposes dispositions. Our experience is that there
is likely to be some negotiation and eventually a disposition is agreed
(e.g. http://review.oais.info/show_bug.cgi?id=21).
Some comments:
1. It seems to me that the spreadsheets are more a summary mechanism
rather than the mechanism for reaching consensus - if that is correct then
that is probably OK. But there are a number of things missing if it to act
as a mechanism to pass information from an Agency to a WG.
2. Contact details must be provided so that the WG Review Team can
negotiate with the originator of the RID (or whoever produced the
consolidated RID).
3. The numbering of the RIDs should be distinct e.g. adding Agency
abbreviation
4. It should be possible to add attachments, which could be done by
putting in URLs - but should there be a standard place to put them?
5. Suggest a column "Rationale for the requested change". Not the same
as "Supporting Analysis" which should probably be retained as support to the
rationale. Rationale should be required, supporting analysis should be
optional.
6. Instructions (definitions) say Technical/Recommended/Editorial, but
the spreadsheet pull-down says Editorial/Technical/General. Which is it?
7. "Organization" should be a pull-down that lists all agencies and
centers (just like the registration system), PLUS one blank for people to
fill in an "other" organization. Here's a
<https://www.mrexcel.com/forum/excel-questions/545498-drop-down-list-blank-o
ption.html> tip.
8. The definitions need significant clarifications/re-writes.
9. There should be a place to indicate that the originator of the RID
agrees with the disposition. DAI uses Concur to indicate that the
originator of the RID agrees with the final disposition (e.g.
http://review.oais.info/show_bug.cgi?id=24). By the way, I thought that the
Technical Editor needed to see some proof that consensus had been reached.
10. Something that we had an issue with previously was that much of the
discussion normally occurred in an email trail which is not visible. It is a
pity that CCSDS cannot support an on-line system - I think several WGs use
systems based on Bugzilla. That would certainly enable us to make
discussions more visible. Also using spreadsheets seems to involve a great
deal of manual copy/paste.
11. It might make life easier if a check is done to ensure some level of
compatibility with an ISO review system which avoids lots of copy/pasting.
..David
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Subject: [MOIMS] [CESG] Fw: RID template in excel format - for comments
Dear MOIMS leaders,
could you please provide me your comments, if any, to the proposed RID
template by Wed end of business? My preliminary comments are below:
1. General: Not clear what the difference is between the sheet "Agency or
Org" and the one "Consolidated Comments", they seem to be identical.
2. Sheet "General Instructions" Item 5: I do not understand it. I assume
this describes the work to be done by the "Agency/Organization RID
Coordinator" of item 4. It is irrelevant to prescribe how the review is
conducted internally to an agency. The bottom line is that any agency has to
provide a consolidated list of valid RIDs.
3. I assume that the WG will go through all received RIDs and dispose all of
them. To do this, the WG will assign a disposition status in the column "J"
by using the short definitions in the General Instructions sheet (this will
allow sorting/searching for RIDs with a given status). Please note that the
terminology used is confusing. For instance "Concur: Reviewer agrees with
the recommended change or overall evaluation" should read "Concur: WG agrees
with the recommended change or overall evaluation". The WG will use column
"K" to comment or specify the proposed implementation for that particular
RID. Please improved the General Instructions.
4. Once the WG has disposed all RIDs, it is a requirement of the CCSDS that
the dispositions are agreed by the originating RID author. Please add 2 new
columns with a flag (Agreed/Not Agreed) and an associated comment.
Margherita: we will be a few days late. Sorry.
Regards,
__Mario
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Dear All,
last week I issued my first e-mail to the CESG members and... I took a
wrong distribution list.
I am now resending that e-mail, hoping to use the right list this time.
It;'s about a RID Template that has been requested by CMC at the last
meeting in Darmstadt, and which has been prototyped by David.
Please see further details in the attached e-mail.
Please address that with your WGs, and let me have your comments, if any, by
5th February. I will then be able to report on that at the CMC Telecon on
7th February.
Thanks, and kind regards,
Margherita
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Margherita di Giulio
Data Systems Infrastructure Division (OPS-GI)
European Space Agency ESA/ESOC
Robert-Bosch-Str. 5
D-64293 Darmstadt - Germany
Tel: +49-6151-902779
e-mail: Margherita.di.Giulio at esa.int <mailto:Margherita.di.Giulio at esa.int>
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Date: 26-01-18 14:57
Subject: RID template in excel format - for comments
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Dear All,
at the last CMC Meeting it has been proposed to change the RID template to
an excell format. This would provide the possibility to filter according to
some criteria, e.g. by section, or by author, etc.
David has produced such template, which the CESG shall evaluate and comment.
Please take a look and let me have your comments by 5th February c.o.b.
I will then report on this topic at the CMC telecon .
Note: in the table, one RID shall be entered per row, starting at row 6 of
the excell.
Rows 4 and 5 of the table presently contain the "RID title ", "RID Short
Title", the "Review Date" and the "Disposition Date" . However , this will
be changed - such that every row ( that is, every RID) will have its own
Title, short Title, Review Date and Disposition Date - by means of
additional columns.
This is a known issue, so please do not comment on that. .
Kind regards,
Margherita
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Margherita di Giulio
Data Systems Infrastructure Division (OPS-GI)
European Space Agency ESA/ESOC
Robert-Bosch-Str. 5
D-64293 Darmstadt - Germany
Tel: +49-6151-902779
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