[Moims-dai] Concept paper on OAIS/ISO16363 and CTS, FAIR principles and TRUST principles

Mon Oct 26 16:05:00 UTC 2020

Dear David, 

dear all,

thank you for this great paper! I very much second Barbara’s and Dawei’s thoughts that this will be incredibly helpful for anyone dealing with Trusted Digital Repositories.

However, the draft was missing one major certification standard – nestor seal (DIN 31644). I’ve taken the liberty to add a mapping of the 34 nestor seal criteria to ISO 16363 in the version attached. 

Cheers,
Micky

Michelle Lindlar
Technische Informationsbibliothek (TIB)
German National Library of Science and Technology
Digital Preservation
Welfengarten 1 B // 30167 Hannover, Germany
T +49 511 762-19826 
michelle.lindlar at tib.eu <mailto:michelle.lindlar at tib.eu> 
www.tib.eu <http://www.tib.eu/> 

Von: MOIMS-DAI [mailto:moims-dai-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org] Im Auftrag von Robert Downs
Gesendet: Montag, 26. Oktober 2020 15:58
An: MOIMS-Data Archive Interoperability
Betreff: Re: [Moims-dai] Concept paper on OAIS/ISO16363 and CTS, FAIR principles and TRUST principles

This is a great effort, David! Please find the attached file, containing additional edits to fill in the gaps along with some comments.

Thanks,

Bob

Robert R. Downs, PhD
Senior Digital Archivist and Senior Staff Associate Officer of Research
Acting Head of Cyberinfrastructure and Informatics Research and Development
Center for International Earth Science Information Network (CIESIN),
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On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 8:13 PM Lin, Dawei (NIH/NIAID) [E] via MOIMS-DAI <moims-dai at mailman.ccsds.org> wrote:

	Hi David,

	  Thank you for doing these mappings. It will help the Trustworthy Digital Repository greatly. I have add my comments in the attached document. 

	  Dawei 

	Dawei Lin, Ph.D.

	Associate Director for Bioinformatics and Senior Advisor to the Director

	Division of Allergy, Immunology, and Transplantation

	National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases

	5601 Fisher’s Lane 7A70, MSC 9828

	Rockville MD, 20852

	Work phone: 240-627-3527

	Cell Phone: 301-312-3986

	From: "david at giaretta.org" <david at giaretta.org>
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	Date: Sunday, October 25, 2020 at 1:03 PM
	To: "moims-dai at mailman.ccsds.org" <moims-dai at mailman.ccsds.org>
	Subject: Re: [Moims-dai] Concept paper on OAIS/ISO16363 and CTS, FAIR principles and TRUST principles

	Thanks for these valuable comments.

	I’ve combined Bruce’s and Barbara’s comments then responded and added text.

	At this stage I think I have to assume people are familiar with or can refer to OAIS and ISO 16363.

	I also want to keep my references to the text related to conformance, which means that I can ignore lots of things like the Functional Model and the discussion text.

	After getting the essentials right then more general text can be added.

	More comments?

	..David 

	From: Bruce Ambacher <bambacher at verizon.net> 
	Sent: 24 October 2020 18:22
	To: david at giaretta.org; moims-dai at mailman.ccsds.org
	Subject: Re: [Moims-dai] Concept paper on OAIS/ISO16363 and CTS, FAIR principles and TRUST principles

	Regarding Barbara's comment BS5. Many repositories do not limit access to just citizens. The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration provides archival information to noncitizens as well as citizens, adhering to all legally applicable restrictions on access.

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	From: david at giaretta.org
	To: 'MOIMS-Data Archive Interoperability' <moims-dai at mailman.ccsds.org>
	Sent: Sat, Oct 24, 2020 8:20 am
	Subject: Re: [Moims-dai] Concept paper on OAIS/ISO16363 and CTS, FAIR principles and TRUST principles

	Hi Barbara

	Glad you liked the draft – it was just my first attempt with the simplest mapping.

	I was hoping to get to a point where the use of the term “metadata” can be replaced by more precise terms. That way the FAIR and TRUST principles can be made more testable/verifiable.

	Also it may give us a few ideas about what could be added to ISO 16363 (and even OAIS) in future. 

	Let’s see what others have to say.

	..David

	From: MOIMS-DAI <moims-dai-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org> On Behalf Of bsierman at digitalpreservation.nl
	Sent: 24 October 2020 11:09
	To: 'MOIMS-Data Archive Interoperability' <moims-dai at mailman.ccsds.org>
	Subject: Re: [Moims-dai] Concept paper on OAIS/ISO16363 and CTS, FAIR principles and TRUST principles

	Dear David, dear all

	This is a very clever idea! And I like your draft. I’ve added some thoughts to it. 

	Bbut I’m a bit worried that by too much “cut and paste” citations of the right mapping, we might loose sight of what I would call “the spirit of OAIS”. As we cannot describe every possible situation in detail, it is important to give people the right mindset to make their own decision in case the principles are not detailed enough. This is something that perhaps in the introduction can be explained further. There are things that cannot be mapped to a particular phrase in the standards, but are clear from the intentions why the standard was created.

	One other point is that the original authors of the FAIR principles are explicitly saying that their concept of “re-use” is focused on the re-use of the data by humans and machines (https://doi.org/10.1162/DINT_R_00024) . They do not mention a timeframe in which this should be possible. There is no explicit reference to long term preservation. But obviously, if you want to keep your digital data re-usable, this requires some form of preservation, even if it is for a short term. Hence the TRUST principles, where the repository takes care of the long term FAIRness. But as such, the FAIR principles are of a different order than CoreTrustSeal, ISO 163636 and OAIS, in my opinion.

	I’m looking forward to more discussion about this!

	Kind regards

	Barbara Sierman

	+31 6 44 67 49 06

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	Onderwerp: [Moims-dai] Concept paper on OAIS/ISO16363 and CTS, FAIR principles and TRUST principles

	We spoke about a concept paper mapping between OAIS/16363 and the CTS, FAIR principles and TRUST principles.

	Here is my simple attempt at a draft of such a concept paper.

	All comments/suggestions welcome.

	..David

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