[Moims-dai] Vint Cert to present "Digital Vellum" talk at GSFC on April 4

Fri Mar 4 20:59:55 UTC 2016

I think it is important to provide a little history/background as well.

Folks have been working on addressing digital preservation for a long time:

Thirty Years of Electronic Records, ed. Bruce I. Ambacher. Lanham, MD:
Scarecrow Press, 2003.

"Overview of Archival Practices and Issues." PE&RS, Journal of the American
Society for Photogrammetry and Remote Sensing LXIII, No. 10 (October 1997):
115-116.
http://www.asprs.org/publications/pers/scans/1997journal/oct/1997_oct_highlight.pdf

"Preserving Electronic Records: Not the Easiest Task." In Third NASA
Goddard Conference on Mass Storage Systems and Technologies, NASA
Conference Publication 3262, ed. Benjamin Kobler and P.C. Hariharan.
Washington, DC: *NASA, 1994*: 99-102.

"Overview of Technological Approaches to Digital Preservation and
Challenges in Coming Years." In CLIR Reports, pub107, Conference
Proceedings of The State of Digital Preservation: An International
Perspective, Washington, D.C., April 24-25, 2002. Washington, DC: Council
on Library and Information Resources, 2002: 4-31
http://www.clir.org/pubs/reports/pub107

"Preservation and Migration of Electronic Records: The State of the Issue."
In AutoritÃ  per l'informatica nella pubblica amministrazione - Ministero
per i beni e le attivitÃ  culturali, La conservazione dei documenti
informatici. Aspetti organizzativi e tecnici. Seminario di studio, Roma 30
ottobre 2000. Rome: AutoritÃ  per l'informatica nella ubblica
Amministrazione, 2000: 43-48, and Resumenes de las Ponencias, XIV Congreso
Internacional de Archivos, Sevilla 2000, EspaÃ±a. Madrid: Ministerio de
EducaciÃ³n, Cultura y Deporte, 2000: 11-13 (Spanish), 53-55 (English),
93-96 (French), 135-138 (German), 181-184 (Russian)
http://www.interpares.org/display_file.cfm?doc=ip1_dissemination_cpnr_thibodeau_aipa_seminar_2000.pdf

"Preserving Records, Saving Appearances: Perspectives on Digital
Preservation." In How Do You Know It's The Real Thing 2? Proceedings of an
International Symposium on Preserving Authentic Electronic Records, 17
February 2000, Vancouver, BC, Canada, ed. Luigi Sarno. Vancouver, BC:
Istituto Italiano di Cultura, 2001: 93-112.
http://www.interpares.org/display_file.cfm?doc=ip1_dissemination_cpr_symposium_2001.pdf

"The Long Haul: Storing Data At The National Archives." In *NSSDC
Conference on Mass Storage Systems and Technologies for Space and Earth
Science Applications*, Vol. 1. Greenbelt, MD:* NASA*, *1992*: I-183-187.

"Machine Readable Archives and Future History." Computers and the
Humanities 10, No. 2 (Mar-Apr 1976): 89-92

Mark Conrad
NARA Information Services
IAS
The National Archives and Records Administration
Erma Ora Byrd Conference and Learning Center
Building 494 Second Floor
610 State Route 956
Rocket Center, WV  26726

Phone: 304-726-7820
Fax: 304-726-7802
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On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Mike Kearney <kearneysolutions at gmail.com>
wrote:

> As you said, the “digital vellum” is just a metaphor for old types of
> writing that needs to be preserved.  I think Vint intended to simply talk
> at a higher level, advocating all types of Digital Preservation, not
> including or excluding any give flavor.  But we can fix that…
>
>
>
> I suggest a two-pronged effort.  (1) I’ll send him a note with comments
> that for his talk at GSFC, he needs to make sure he addresses the space
> science community, and here are some thoughts that he could express
> (addressing David’s concerns), and; (2) Some DAI guys meet with him before
> his talk and sensitize him to the needs of our community.  And I’m betting
> if we did that, it would carry over to his talks in other locations.
>
>
>
> Vint is the “evangelist”… basically a cheerleader.  So we should simply
> explain to him the cheers we want to hear.  I think he believes he’s
> currently cheering for all Data Preservation, and the nuance of our
> particular flavor of DP hasn’t surfaced in his talk (although he supports
> RDA so I think he knows it’s a requirement).
>
>
>
> But in my mind the **most** important thing he could address would be
> NASA’s need to participate in and properly fund data preservation,
> particularly the DAI WG.  And I think he’s open to making that statement.
>
>
>
> Sound OK?  I’ll start composing a draft note to him, and run it by you
> guys.  (next week, probably).
>
>
>
>    -=- Mike
>
>
>
> Mike Kearney
>
> Huntsville, Alabama, USA
>
>
>
> *From:* moims-dai-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:
> moims-dai-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org] *On Behalf Of *David Giaretta
> *Sent:* Friday, March 4, 2016 11:51 AM
> *To:* MOIMS-Data Archive Ingestion <moims-dai at mailman.ccsds.org>
> *Subject:* RE: [Moims-dai] Vint Cert to present "Digital Vellum" talk at
> GSFC on April 4
>
>
>
> Hi John
>
> As I recall the digital vellum made the point that things written on
> vellum were readable hundreds of years later.
>
> The point I made was that even if one wrote the numbers from a data file
> on vellum it would not be usable years later or even right noe because
> there would be no semantics with the numbers - do they represent
> temperature, pressure etc and what units?
>
> David
>
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> Sent from my Samsung device
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>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: John Garrett <garrett at his.com>
> Date: 04/03/2016 17:35 (GMT+00:00)
> To: 'MOIMS-Data Archive Ingestion' <moims-dai at mailman.ccsds.org>
> Subject: RE: [Moims-dai] Vint Cert to present "Digital Vellum" talk at
> GSFC on April 4
>
> Hi David,
>
>
>
> I haven’t looked into what he is proposing.  Perhaps you could provide us
> with some ideas of what ideas you passed on to him previously and then we
> can reinforce them.
>
> I’m assuming that Digital Vellum could be good solution for the
> publications subset of the archival problem.
>
>
>
> Wishing you prosperity and peace,
>
> -JOhn
>
>
>
> *From:* moims-dai-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org [
> mailto:moims-dai-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org
> <moims-dai-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org>] *On Behalf Of *David Giaretta
> *Sent:* Friday, March 4, 2016 10:37 AM
> *To:* 'MOIMS-Data Archive Ingestion' <moims-dai at mailman.ccsds.org>
> *Subject:* RE: [Moims-dai] Vint Cert to present "Digital Vellum" talk at
> GSFC on April 4
>
>
>
> I heard Vint Cerf talking about Digital Vellum previously and made the
> point to him that what he was talking about was no good for data.
>
> ..David
>
>
>
> *From:* moims-dai-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org [
> mailto:moims-dai-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org
> <moims-dai-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org>] *On Behalf Of *Caillet Claire
> *Sent:* 04 March 2016 15:30
> *To:* MOIMS-Data Archive Ingestion <moims-dai at mailman.ccsds.org>
> *Subject:* RE: [Moims-dai] Vint Cert to present "Digital Vellum" talk at
> GSFC on April 4
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> I will be in Cleveland to attend the CCSDS meeting, I will not obtain a
> travel approval to go to GFSC but I hope we could set up a teleconference.
>
> I hope to meet you all soon.
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>
>
> Best regards,
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> *De :* moims-dai-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org [
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> <moims-dai-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org>] *De la part de* Robert R Downs
> *Envoyé :* mercredi 2 mars 2016 15:29
> *À :* moims-dai at mailman.ccsds.org
> *Objet :* Re: [Moims-dai] Vint Cert to present "Digital Vellum" talk at
> GSFC on April 4
>
>
>
> John -
>
> I also would be interested in attending a DAI WG Meeting at GSFC on April
> 4th and in attending Vint Cerf's talk the same day, but would need to
> obtain formal travel approval to attend these events and also would need to
> be able to gain admittance to GSFC.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
>
> Robert R. Downs, PhD
> Senior Digital Archivist and Senior Staff Associate Officer of Research
> Acting Head of Cyberinfrastructure and Informatics Research and Development
> Center for International Earth Science Information Network (CIESIN),
> The Earth Institute, Columbia University
> P.O. Box 1000, 61 Route 9W, Palisades, NY 10964 USA
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> On 3/1/2016 6:09 PM, Terry Longstreth - VP Administration wrote:
>
> John,
> I would forego all other forms of entertainment to seek Vint Cerf again.
> If you can get us into Goddard for that I'll definitely go the Colloquium.
> Terry
>
>
> On 3/1/2016 11:29 AM, John Garrett wrote:
>
> Hi team,
>
>
>
> Vint Cerf will be the monthly speaker at GSFC’s Engineering Colloquium.  A
> link to the announcement is:
>
>
>
> https://ecolloq.gsfc.nasa.gov/Current/announce.cerf.html
>
>
>
> The date actually coincides with the scheduled Spring meetings of CCSDS in
> Cleveland.  However, it seems that most DAI members have funding
> constraints or conflicting events (including some at GSFC) that are
> preventing attendance at Cleveland.  I was thinking it might be possible to
> at least  get a subset of the DAI WG together at GSFC.  Maybe we could
> attend Vint Cerf’s talk together and also spend some time discussing DAI’s
> projects.  If several of us met physically, we could probably set up a
> telecon to include other DAI WG members at Cleveland or other remote
> locations.
>
>
>
> Who will be at Cleveland?
>
> Who could make it to GSFC?
>
>
>
> Wishing you prosperity and peace,
>
> -JOhn
>
>
>
>
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