[CMC] Input for MoM on CCSDS-IOAG interface
osvaldo.peinado at dlr.de
osvaldo.peinado at dlr.de
Wed Dec 20 16:01:05 UTC 2017
Hi all
I do not understand why we still have this discussion.
For years the liaison was only one person, now, in my opinion, it should be continue in this way.
If the Liaison responsible, sometime needs support, he can ask for it, that´s all.
For the ones that celebrate Christmas in your countries, I wish you merry Christmas and a happy New Year.
Best Wishes to you and your families
Osvaldo
Von: CMC [mailto:cmc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org] Im Auftrag von Afarin, James (HQ-CG000)
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2017 16:39
An: Juan.Miro at esa.int
Cc: Ross, David (HQ-CG000)[Arctic Slope Technical Services, Inc.]; CMC - CCSDS Management Council
Betreff: Re: [CMC] Input for MoM on CCSDS-IOAG interface
Dear Juan,
Thank you for your input. I agree that CESG chair should participate in all technical discussion. I will continue to invite her promptly and efficiently to all technical discussions. As always only the CCSDS liaison will be regular invited to the IOAG meetings and I will include the CESG chair for any and all technical discussions. This is the spirit and reality of the CMC agreement and I am honoring it. I wish you all Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
Thank you,
James
Dr. James Afarin
Space Data Standards Manager
Space Communications and Navigation Division
Office: 202-358-5221
Mobile: 202-549-6496
From: Juan Miro <Juan.Miro at esa.int<mailto:Juan.Miro at esa.int>>
Date: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 2:00 PM
To: James Afarin <james.afarin at nasa.gov<mailto:james.afarin at nasa.gov>>
Cc: CMC - CCSDS Management Council <cmc at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:cmc at mailman.ccsds.org>>, "Ross, David (HQ-CG000)[Arctic Slope Technical Services, Inc.]" <david.ross at nasa.gov<mailto:david.ross at nasa.gov>>
Subject: Re: [CMC] Input for MoM on CCSDS-IOAG interface
Dear James,
as discussed last week on the phone, and I believe agreed, the CESG Chair should support you in your role as IOAG liaison; and this should include attending the regular webex-conferences organised by IOAG, and as well as providing a progress report during such meetings (with your previous approval). This is also what we discussed during the last CMC meeting, and the spirit in which you obtained the support of the CMC. You may have other meetings with IOAG for which technical support is not necessarily required, and then it is at your discretion to invite the CESG Chair to participate.
I understand you have the firm intention to involve the CESG Chair in technical matters, but the example of the recent IOAG invitation shows that Margherita should be in the IOAG distribution list per default, so as to ensure she gets the invitation timely without you having to forward it. This will also allow her to get the inputs from IOAG first hand without any loss of information, which is crucial for the CESG to adequately respond to the IOAG requests and inputs.
It is clear that you are the only CCSDS interface to IOAG, in particular when it comes to state CCSDS positions.
I hope with this clarification we can finally agree on the following text for the MoM of the last CMC, that by the way, to my knowledge, have not yet been circulated.
The CESG Chair role is to in support to the CCSDS Liaison, CMC Chair, is as required:
* Participate at the regular IOAG meetings and telecons as required by the CCSDS Liaison.
* Provide technical reports periodically and as required by the CCSDS Liaison.
* Support the CCSDS Liaison in technical discussions and queries during meetings / telecons
* Maintain ICPA (IOAG CCSDS Product Agreement)
* Communicate the IOAG requirements and suggestions to the relevant CCSDS WGs
*
Please let me know
Regards
Juan
From: "Afarin, James (HQ-CG000)" <james.afarin at nasa.gov<mailto:james.afarin at nasa.gov>>
To: "Juan.Miro at esa.int<mailto:Juan.Miro at esa.int>" <Juan.Miro at esa.int<mailto:Juan.Miro at esa.int>>
Cc: CMC - CCSDS Management Council <cmc at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:cmc at mailman.ccsds.org>>, "Ross, David (HQ-CG000)[Arctic Slope Technical Services, Inc.]" <david.ross at nasa.gov<mailto:david.ross at nasa.gov>>
Date: 06/12/2017 19:48
Subject: Re: [CMC] Input for MoM on CCSDS-IOAG interface
________________________________
Dear Juan,
I have not violated any agreement. The only agreement that we had in the CMC was that I will defer all technical issues to the CESG chair and I will do so. There will be management meetings when the attendance by me, the CCSDS Liaison, alone is sufficient to represent the CCSDS, and there is no need for the CESG Chair or any other CCSDS members to be present on behalf of the CCSDS. That is entirely appropriate. We agreed that the CESG role is to support the CCSDS liaison and nothing else.
No one should give the impression that the CESG Chair is the CCSDS technical liaison to the IOAG. As always, there will be only one CCSDS liaison to IOAG.
Thank you
James
James Afarin
SCaN Standard Manager
Office: (202) 358-5221
Mobile: (202) 549-6496
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 29, 2017, at 6:26 AM, "Juan.Miro at esa.int<mailto:Juan.Miro at esa.int>" <Juan.Miro at esa.int<mailto:Juan.Miro at esa.int>> wrote:
Dear James,
I agree that the IOAG liaison is the only contact point in CCSDS regarding formal agreements with IOAG but in order for the liaison to work effectively there needs to be a well defined support role for the CESG Chair. This role shall include the participation in the technical meetings and telecons. This was the agreement during the CMC meeting, that led to the consensus to nominate you as the IOAG liaison. Some of the rewording you propose now is compromising this agreement, as it implies e.g. that the CESG Chair will only participate in the IOAG meetings and telecons if you require so. So I cannot agree with the changes to the first bullet you propose, and I have marked my proposed changes to your text (see below).
I understand this agreement has already been violated by excluding the CESG Chair from the distribution list of the IOAG and therefore from the invitations to the IOAG telecons issued recently. I do not agree with this.
I also do not agree for efficiency and transparency reasons that the CESG Chair is not in copy of communications coming from the IOAG. One thing is to avoid that CCSDS is speaking with two voices to IOAG and another one is to cut off the CESG Chair from the inputs and information coming from IOAG. It goes without saying that the CESG Chair role is in support to the IOAG liaison (CMC Chair) but for this support to be provided effectively, the CESG Chair must be fully aware of the background information.
So in the spirit of the agreement during the CMC meeting, that allowed to achieve consensus in the poll, I hope you can take into account my inputs
peoposed text:
The CESG Chair role is to in support to the CCSDS Liaison, CMC Chair, is as required:
* Participate at the IOAG meetings and telecons as required by the CCSDS Liaison.
* Provide technical reports periodically and as required by the CCSDS Liaison.
* Support the CCSDS Liaison in technical discussions and queries during meetings / telecons
* Maintain ICPA (IOAG CCSDS Product Agreement)
* Communicate the IOAG requirements and suggestions to the relevant CCSDS WGs
Regards
Juan
Juan Miro
ESA delegate in the CCSCS Management Council
Head Ground Systems Engineering Department
Europan Space Operations Centre
European Space Agency
From: "Afarin, James (HQ-CG000)" <james.afarin at nasa.gov<mailto:james.afarin at nasa.gov>>
To: "Juan.Miro at esa.int<mailto:Juan.Miro at esa.int>" <Juan.Miro at esa.int<mailto:Juan.Miro at esa.int>>, "Ross, David (HQ-CG000)[Arctic Slope Technical Services, Inc.]" <david.ross at nasa.gov<mailto:david.ross at nasa.gov>>
Cc: CMC - CCSDS Management Council <cmc at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:cmc at mailman.ccsds.org>>
Date: 21/11/2017 14:41
Subject: Re: [CMC] Input for MoM on CCSDS-IOAG interface
________________________________
Hi Juan,
I made few clarifications on the role of the CESG. The most important aspect is the only avenue to and from IOAG shall be thru the IOAG liaison as always. Please give me your thoughts.
The CCSDS liaison with IOAG is the CMC Chair and covers the following main responsibilities:
* Agree on standards to be developed and relevant priorities
* Clarify resources needed to perform the tasks and ensure their availability
* Clarify scope of WGs to be established
* Communicate IOAG inputs to CMC and CESG Chair
* Support IOAG in preparing IOP meetings as required
The CESG Chair role is to support the CCSDS Liaison, CMC Chair, as required:
* Participate at the IOAG meetings and telecons as required by the CCSDS Liaison.
* Provide technical reports periodically and as required by the CCSDS Liaison.
* Support the CCSDS Liaison in technical discussions and queries during meetings / telecons
* Maintain ICPA (IOAG CCSDS Product Agreement)
* Communicate the IOAG requirements and suggestions to the relevant CCSDS WGs
Thank you,
James
Dr. James Afarin
Space Data Standards Manager
Space Communications and Navigation Division
Office: 202-358-5221
Mobile: 202-549-6496
From: CMC <cmc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:cmc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org>> on behalf of Juan Miro <Juan.Miro at esa.int<mailto:Juan.Miro at esa.int>>
Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 10:51 AM
To: "Ross, David (HQ-CG000)[Arctic Slope Technical Services, Inc.]" <david.ross at nasa.gov<mailto:david.ross at nasa.gov>>
Cc: CMC - CCSDS Management Council <cmc at mailman.ccsds.org<mailto:cmc at mailman.ccsds.org>>
Subject: [CMC] Input for MoM on CCSDS-IOAG interface
Dear David,
as agreed by CMC here is my input on the proposed interface between CCSDS and IOAG for the corresponding resolution to be included in the minutes
Regards
Juan
_________________________________________________________________________
CCSDS Liaison to IAOG
The CCSDS liaison with IOAG is the CMC Chair and covers the following main responsibilities:
* Agree on standards to be developed and relevant priorities
* Clarify resources needed to perform the tasks and ensure their availability
* Clarify scope of WGs to be established
* Communicate IOAG inputs to CMC and CESG Chair
* Support IOAG in preparing IOP meetings as required
The role of the CESG Chair in support to the CMC Chair is:
* Regular participation to IOAG meeting and telecons
* Provide regular reports about CCSDS progress during meetings / telecons
* Support technical discussions and queries during meetings / telecons
* Maintain ICPA (IOAG CCSDS Product Agreement)
* Inject in relevant CCSDS WGs the IOAG requirements and suggestions
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