[CMC] Re: After our telecon as of January 20, 2016.

Fri Jan 22 17:22:47 UTC 2016

Dear Nick,

Thank you for your opportune suggestion. It is implemented in the new, enclosed version of the document.

Regards,
Eduardo 

ENCLOSURE: <CCSDS.and.CCSDS-ISO.TC20-SC13.1.docx>
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From: Nick Tongson 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 3:06 PM
To: Eduardo W. Bergamini ; James Afarin, Dr. - Secretary to CCSDS & CMC/CCSDS Ch. & Secr. to ISO TC20/SC13 
Cc: Nestor Peccia, Dr. - Director CESG/CCSDS ; CMC at mailman.ccsds.org ; Carlos Alexandre W. de Souza, Dr. - Chefe de Gabinete, DIR/INPE - DAS/CEA 
Subject: RE: After our telecon as of January 20, 2016.

Hello Eduardo,

I would suggest removing any reference to SC14 because this is completely funded by AIAA and not NASA under the CCSDS contract. The attached file reflects this suggestion.

Regards,

Nick

Nick Tongson

Director - Standards

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From: Eduardo W. Bergamini [mailto:e.w.bergamini at uol.com.br] 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 10:12 AM
To: James Afarin, Dr. - Secretary to CCSDS & CMC/CCSDS Ch. & Secr. to ISO TC20/SC13
Cc: Nestor Peccia, Dr. - Director CESG/CCSDS; CMC at mailman.ccsds.org; Nick Tongson; Carlos Alexandre W. de Souza, Dr. - Chefe de Gabinete, DIR/INPE - DAS/CEA
Subject: After our telecon as of January 20, 2016.

Dear James,

Permit me to add a comment that tries to build up a basic structure of information related to the important 

discussions we had in our telecon, two days ago, as of last Jan. 20. I feel a need, for myself,  to organize my own 

ideas, as possible, on the many aspects which are involved with the central issue which, from my aprehension, at 

the moment, could be named by something close to ...

“On the Plan for Changing Cost Bearing and Administration of CCSDS and of CCSDS to ISO TC20/SC13 Subcommittee”. 

Departing from scratch, the organization of my ideas, at the moment, are reflected in the enclosed (.docx) 

document. The enclosed document possibly contains not only misses but also imprecisions which I was not able to 

get from my understanding on this issue, to this point in time.

Just a proposal for your consideration. If you and our concerned CCSDS colleagues find it to be worth, we could 

use the enclosed (.docx) document, properly corrected and incremented with opportune add-ups, as a point of 

departure or, perhaps, as an initial input for a more comprehensive document that may, opportunely, serve as a 

live document which would contain a comprehensive plan that may justify in the many involved aspects, the 

needed changes that are being required, in the context. 

I can advance to all of you that, in INPE case, we will need to be legally and solidly justified under a proposal for 

(hopefully) becoming elligible to apply for a regular institutional contribution to a legally exhisting external entity 

(which? CCSDS does not “exist”, as an admnistrative, legal organization ...) that may organize and instrument the 

role that NASA is diligently exercising  as the executive instrument for CCSDS, since early ‘80s and of CCSDS 

before ISO, since early ‘90s. 

As Nestor and you commented, there may be “distributed practices” by CCSDS members that may significanlty 

alleviate the task to be assigned for such a legally existing “external entity” to admnistratively manage CCSDS 

and CCSDS-ISO TC20/SC13 initiatives. Among such an alleviating tasks, seems that potential candidates are: 

SANA/CSA(?), local expenses for the realization of CCSDS meetings taken up by the hosting agency, others(?) ...

I would propose that in our coming CMC meeting in April we may have in hands a reference in the form of  a 

living document, perhaps, inspired or, as a “start-up”, departing from the, properly reviewed and corrected, 

enclosed one, that may serve us as a reference instrument of work and as an organized memory for housing: 

important conclusions, pendences, and updating and expanded information.

Please, feel free to comment on the considerations being expressed in this message and enclosure.

Thank you.

Kind regards,

EDUARDO BERGAMINI

INPE Representative to CCSDS

ENCLOSURE: <CCSDS.and.CCSDS-ISO.TC20-SC13.docx>

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From: Afarin, James (HQ-CG000) 

Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 5:21 PM

To: Juan.Miro at esa.int 

Cc: cmc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org ; Nick Tongson ; CCSDS Management Council (CMC at mailman.ccsds.org)(CMC at mailman.ccsds.org) ; Nestor.Peccia at esa.int 

Subject: Re: [CMC] FW: ISO Affiliation with CCSDS

Juan,

I was planning to make this discussion as a brain storming session for assisting with the cost of administering the CCSDS secretariat including SANA.  I will set the stage and explain the problem and expect a discussion and  suggestions from the membership for the way forward.

Thank you,

James

Dr. James Afarin 

Space Data Standards Manager 
Space Communications and Navigation Division
Office: 202-358-5221 
Mobile: 202-549-6496

From: "Juan.Miro at esa.int" <Juan.Miro at esa.int>
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 1:55 PM
To: James Afarin <james.afarin at nasa.gov>
Cc: "CCSDS Management Council (CMC at mailman.ccsds.org) (CMC at mailman.ccsds.org)" <CMC at mailman.ccsds.org>, "cmc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org" <cmc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org>, Nick Tongson <NickT at aiaa.org>, "Nestor.Peccia at esa.int" <Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>
Subject: Re: [CMC] FW: ISO Affiliation with CCSDS

Dear James, 

I am one of the ones that cannot make it on 20 January at the time proposed. If the meeting remains as scheduled I will be represented by Nestor Peccia.

In order to prepare for this meeting, I would appreciate if you could distribute a list of the points you want to discuss and what kind of position do you expect from the CMC members and what is the decision that needs to be taken; consequences for CCSDS secretariat etc. 

If you want other Agencies to take care of anything or contribute to the financing should know what are we talking about.

Regards 
Juan 

From:        "Afarin, James (HQ-CG000)" <james.afarin at nasa.gov>
To:        "CCSDS Management Council (CMC at mailman.ccsds.org) (CMC at mailman.ccsds.org)" <CMC at mailman.ccsds.org>
Cc:        "Nick Tongson" <NickT at aiaa.org>
Date:        13/01/2016 19:34
Subject:        [CMC] FW: ISO Affiliation with CCSDS
Sent by:        cmc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org

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Hi All, 

Happy New Year.  As you know we have scheduled a telecon to talk about Managing the cost of administering the CCSDS secretariat on next Wednesday 1/20/16 at 8:30 am US Eastern Time.  Some of the CMC member will not be available for this time slot.  I have checked the Doodle results that Nick originally sent out and there is not any specific time slot that everyone will be available so I think it is the best to keep the original time.  I will talk to you next Wednesday 1/20/16 at 8:30 am US Eastern Time. 

Thank you, 

James 

Dr. James Afarin 

Space Data Standards Manager 
Space Communications and Navigation Division
Office: 202-358-5221 
Mobile: 202-549-6496 

From: James Afarin <james.afarin at nasa.gov>
Date: Monday, November 30, 2015 12:16 PM
To: "CCSDS Management Council (CMC at mailman.ccsds.org) (CMC at mailman.ccsds.org)" <CMC at mailman.ccsds.org>
Subject: ISO Affiliation with CCSDS 

Hi All, 

CCSDS secretariat is considering to sever the CCSDS affiliation with ISO due to cost of implementation of ISO requirements and associated fees.  The consequence are the CCSDS standards will not be ISO standards and there will be no ISO TC20/SC13 and ISO TC20/SC14 affiliation with CCSDS.  I need to make an urgent decision in this matter so please provide your input by COB Thursday December 3.  Also a formal CMC poll will be provided for your official vote very soon.

Thank you, 

James 

Dr. James Afarin 

Space Data Standards Manager 
Space Communications and Navigation Division
Office: 202-358-5221 
Mobile: 202-549-6496 
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