[CMC] Re: IOP - IOAG - CCSDS

Fri Oct 31 10:06:55 EST 2008

Jean-Marc, I believe at this stage now of the confusion it is up to IOP to 
decide. As agreed in CMC the CCSDS Secretariat will make a request to the 
IOP chairman for a CCSDS presentation by myself (as I said I don't insist 
that it is me) and let's see how IOP reacts formally. In ESA the IOP 
delegate (Director of Operation) has no authority over CCSDS (it is the 
Technical Director).
Best regards, JFK

"Soula Jean-Marc" <jean-marc.soula at cnes.fr> 
31.10.2008 15:58

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RE : [CMC] Re: IOP - IOAG - CCSDS

I'm under the impression that we still have the same options :
- go to the IOP chair as he is the one who may influence the agenda (no 
collective IOP decision will be made before IOP meets)
- elaborate the CCSDS presentation that was discussed at the last CMC and 
let Narita-san present it ("compromise" accepted within IOAG and still 
questionned within CMC)
- give up with the CCSDS issued presentation and leave the IOP decide on 
CCSDS related issues (*) based mainly on an IOAG point of view

(*) : to comment on the IOAG organization chart, IOP delegates may have 
authority on CCSDS, as per each agency organization ; the reason for the 
link between Agency name and IOP delegate, in the chart, is that the IOAG 
charter was not supposed to impose any internal organization to any agency 
... In CNES case, the IOP delegate has enough authority on both CCSDS and 
IOAG activities of CNES, in particular regarding the technical policy and 
the staffing.

Personally, I'm fine with options 1 or 2 but I would be disappointed with 
option 3, above all if some CCSDS views are missing just because of a 
different speaker.

Best regards
Jean-Marc Soula 
CNES - DCT/OP/C-STA 
Advisor, GN Operations 
18 Avenue Edouard Belin 
31401 Toulouse Cedex 9 - France 
Tel.: +33 (0)5 61 2 74647 
Fax.: +33 (0)5 61 2 73135 
Email: Jean-Marc.Soula at cnes.fr 
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Objet : [CMC] Re: IOP - IOAG - CCSDS

Adrian, I agree and I think there is no dispute about that even in IOAG, 
there is no hierarchical relation between IOAG and CCSDS. But on the other 
it is up to IOP / IOAG to decide about their agenda and to talk about 
CCSDS, and apparently it is not foreseen to have a presentation made by 
CCSDS. 
Best regards, JFK 

"Adrian J. Hooke" <adrian.j.hooke at jpl.nasa.gov> 
31.10.2008 14:05 

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Re: IOP - IOAG - CCSDS

At 06:00 AM 10/31/2008, Jean-Francois.Kaufeler at esa.int wrote: 
It is not (maybe it was, but is not anymore) the intention of IOP to have 
a presentation made by CCSDS about CCSDS, but rather to have an IOAG 
Agency presenting its views about the relation / experience with CCSDS. 

Jean-Francois: that's a quetionable position, since it appears to assume 
that it is the IOAG which decides on the agenda for the IOP. However, such 
as assumption does not appear to be supported by the IOAG's Terms Of 
Reference (attached). Nothing in those Terms Of Reference implies a 
"hierarchy", where the CCSDS and SFCG are subservient to the IOAG. In 
fact, the "Organizational Relationships" diagram on the IOAG's website 
clearly shows two opposite things:

1. That the relationship between CCSDS and IOAG is simply a "Liaison 
Function"
2. That the Agencies who staff the CCSDS also staff the IOP - without 
being filtered by the IOAG.

The notion that the IOAG should be able to present "its views about the 
relation / experience with CCSDS" is fine. However, the notion that the 
CCSDS should be prevented from presenting the Plenary with its own views 
about interoperability - and perhaps about its experiences with the IOAG - 
does not appear to be supported by the established organizational 
relationships.

Best regards
Adrian 
Adrian J. Hooke
Chairman, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group (CESG) and
CCSDS Technical Liaison to the IOAG[attachment "IOAG-tor.pdf" deleted by 
Jean-Francois Kaufeler/esoc/ESA] 
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