[CMC] Re: IOP - IOAG - CCSDS

[Soula Jean-Marc]

I'm under the impression that we still have the same options :
- go to the IOP chair as he is the one who may influence the agenda (no collective IOP decision will be made before IOP meets)
- elaborate the CCSDS presentation that was discussed at the last CMC and let Narita-san present it ("compromise" accepted within IOAG and still questionned within CMC)
- give up with the CCSDS issued presentation and leave the IOP decide on CCSDS related issues (*) based mainly on an IOAG point of view
 
(*) : to comment on the IOAG organization chart, IOP delegates may have authority on CCSDS, as per each agency organization ; the reason for the link between Agency name and IOP delegate, in the chart, is that the IOAG charter was not supposed to impose any internal organization to any agency ... In CNES case, the IOP delegate has enough authority on both CCSDS and IOAG activities of CNES, in particular regarding the technical policy and the staffing.
 
Personally, I'm fine with options 1 or 2 but I would be disappointed with option 3, above all if some CCSDS views are missing just because of a different speaker.
 
Best regards

Jean-Marc Soula 
CNES - DCT/OP/C-STA 
Advisor, GN Operations 
18 Avenue Edouard Belin 
31401 Toulouse Cedex 9 - France 
Tel.: +33 (0)5 61 2 74647 
Fax.: +33 (0)5 61 2 73135 
Email: Jean-Marc.Soula at cnes.fr 

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	Envoyé : vendredi 31 octobre 2008 14:39
	À : Adrian J. Hooke
	Cc : CCSDS Management Council
	Objet : [CMC] Re: IOP - IOAG - CCSDS
	
	

	Adrian, I agree and I think there is no dispute about that even in IOAG, there is no hierarchical relation between IOAG and CCSDS. But on the other it is up to IOP / IOAG to decide about their agenda and to talk about CCSDS, and apparently it is not foreseen to have a presentation made by CCSDS. 
	Best regards, JFK 
	
	
	
	
"Adrian J. Hooke" <adrian.j.hooke at jpl.nasa.gov> 

31.10.2008 14:05 

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	At 06:00 AM 10/31/2008, Jean-Francois.Kaufeler at esa.int wrote: 
	It is not (maybe it was, but is not anymore) the intention of IOP to have a presentation made by CCSDS about CCSDS, but rather to have an IOAG Agency presenting its views about the relation / experience with CCSDS. 
	
	Jean-Francois: that's a quetionable position, since it appears to assume that it is the IOAG which decides on the agenda for the IOP. However, such as assumption does not appear to be supported by the IOAG's Terms Of Reference (attached). Nothing in those Terms Of Reference implies a "hierarchy", where the CCSDS and SFCG are subservient to the IOAG. In fact, the "Organizational Relationships" diagram on the IOAG's website clearly shows two opposite things:
	
	
	
	
	1. That the relationship between CCSDS and IOAG is simply a "Liaison Function"
	2. That the Agencies who staff the CCSDS also staff the IOP - without being filtered by the IOAG.
	
	The notion that the IOAG should be able to present "its views about the relation / experience with CCSDS" is fine. However, the notion that the CCSDS should be prevented from presenting the Plenary with its own views about interoperability - and perhaps about its experiences with the IOAG - does not appear to be supported by the established organizational relationships.
	
	Best regards
	Adrian 

	Adrian J. Hooke
	Chairman, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group (CESG) and
	CCSDS Technical Liaison to the IOAG[attachment "IOAG-tor.pdf" deleted by Jean-Francois Kaufeler/esoc/ESA] 

	

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