[CMC] RE: CMC/CESG/ISO meeting planning

[Kearney, Mike W. (MSFC-EO01)]

Jean-Marc, answering your questions:  

 

- do you consider that the organization of a CMC is of same weight as the one of the WG plenaries ?

I didn't consider weight at all.  I was only identifying the last time "something" was hosted.  This must necessarily be something that people look at and evaluate, not something scored mathematically (like SpaceOps abstracts).  

 

- why do you count meetings twice when these two meetings were organized in different places and only once when they were in consecutive places weeks in the same place ?

I don't think I understand your question, Jean-Marc.  I was simply trying to record (1) the list of meetings that were held, and derive (2) the list of agencies and the last time they hosted "something".  I think a "meeting" held in two different places is two meetings, is it not?  

 

One idea is that we should consider the two types of meetings separately :

- the issue of the WG plenaries was addressed several times during meetings and thru resolutions ; do you intend to revisit the baseline plan (NASA every year, ESA one year out of two, ASI, DLR, CNES, etc... replacing ESA in turn every two years) ?

No, I don't intend for the CMC to revisit the baseline plan.  On a case-by-case basis, the CMC may choose to deviate from the plan, but I don't think the forecast meetings show any deviation so far.  I will mention, however, that the eye-opening costs that NASA in incurring for the Spring 2008 meeting may cause NASA to suggest some new concepts for later meetings... such as spreading the WG meetings over two weeks for a lower peak room count.  

 

- the organization of CMC meetings was never seen as a big issue (all agencies confirmed they may accomodate them as required) and the idea was to decide not so long in advance so as to adapt to opportunities and needs (joint meetings) : do you feel we need now a long term plan ?

I always favor a long term plan, since it does no harm, and provides a starting point from which we can depart.  It is easy enough to change for opportunities.  I don't remember a decision to decide "not so long in advance".  However, if the CMC prefers to have *only* short-term plans for CMC meetings, I am redirectable.  

 

My suggestion is that we start from the last meetings of each type organized by each agency and we can then again discuss the plenaries and assign 2011 and so on ... while I feel that a shorter advance notice is good for CMC's but I agree that we should keep a record of them as well.

I think this is what I did.  The "last hosting date" points to the last meeting of any type organized by each agency.  I'm not sure if you're suggesting something different.   

 

As an input to this, CNES organized CCSDS meetings for the last time in november 2004, in Toulouse : WG plenary and CMC on subsequent weeks.

Thanks for the data, Jean-Marc.  I have added a "Y" to the Fall 2004 meeting under the WGs column.  I won't bother the CMC with another version until there are more significant changes.   

 

   -=- Mike

 

Mike Kearney

NASA MSFC EO-01

256-544-2029

 

From: Soula Jean-Marc [mailto:jean-marc.soula at cnes.fr] 
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 1:35 AM
To: Kearney, Mike W. (MSFC-EO01); CCSDS Management Council
Subject: RE : [CMC] RE: CMC/CESG/ISO meeting planning

 

Hi Mike,

 

thank you for the historical status ; quite interesting but also quite difficult to correct as it starts such a long time ago ...

 

I'm not sure of what is the intent with the information in the middle of the page : 

- do you consider that the organization of a CMC is of same weight as the one of the WG plenaries ?

- why do you count meetings twice when these two meetings were organized in different places and only once when they were in consecutive places weeks in the same place ?

 

One idea is that we should consider the two types of meetings separately :

- the issue of the WG plenaries was addressed several times during meetings and thru resolutions ; do you intend to revisit the baseline plan (NASA every year, ESA one year out of two, ASI, DLR, CNES, etc... replacing ESA in turn every two years) ?

- the organization of CMC meetings was never seen as a big issue (all agencies confirmed they may accomodate them as required) and the idea was to decide not so long in advance so as to adapt to opportunities and needs (joint meetings) : do you feel we need now a long term plan ?

 

My suggestion is that we start from the last meetings of each type organized by each agency and we can then again discuss the plenaries and assign 2011 and so on ... while I feel that a shorter advance notice is good for CMC's but I agree that we should keep a record of them as well.

 

As an input to this, CNES organized CCSDS meetings for the last time in november 2004, in Toulouse : WG plenary and CMC on subsequent weeks.

 

Best regards

Jean-Marc Soula 
CNES - DCT/OP/C-STA 
Advisor, GN Operations 
18 Avenue Edouard Belin 
31401 Toulouse Cedex 9 - France 
Tel.: +33 (0)5 61 2 74647 
Fax.: +33 (0)5 61 2 73135 
Email: Jean-Marc.Soula at cnes.fr 

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	A quick update the spreadsheet file, just to make sure everyone has the relatively error-free version.  Thanks to those folks that identified the errors.    No changes to the meeting plans.   

	 

	   -=- Mike

	 

	Mike Kearney

	NASA MSFC EO-01

	256-544-2029

	 

	From: Kearney, Mike W. (MSFC-EO01) 
	Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 5:08 PM
	To: 'CCSDS Management Council'
	Subject: RE: CMC/CESG/ISO meeting planning

	 

	CMC members:  That last note was for the benefit of attendees of the CMC/CESG/ISO meetings.   This note is for the CMC, since we are the team members that commit to sponsoring meetings.  

	 

	In the process of working out the best approach for future meetings, I conducted the attached analysis of hosting history.  At the very bottom is the list of past CCSDS meetings (both WG-Plenary and CMC, but not individual WGs) and who hosted them.  In the middle is the analysis for how long it has been since agencies have hosted.  At the top is the current plan, the basis for the message I sent out earlier (attached below).   

	 

	Inputs are welcome if someone wants to correct any "hosting history" dates, or correct the logic of the spreadsheet.   However, at this point, I think reaching farther back in history is not especially productive for the decision of where the next meetings will be held.  In any case, I simply wanted the CMC members to be aware of the background and logic, and have the opportunity to comment on it.   

	 

	Best regards,

	 

	   -=- Mike

	 

	Mike Kearney

	NASA MSFC EO-01

	256-544-2029

	 

	From: Kearney, Mike W. (MSFC-EO01) 
	Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:56 PM
	To: CCSDS Management Council; 'cesg at mailman.ccsds.org.'
	Subject: CMC/CESG/ISO meeting planning

	 

	CMC and CESG members:  This is a general update with the current forecast for CMC/CESG/ISO management meetings.   

	 

	Concerning the Spring 2008 CMC meeting:  

	 

	JAXA has volunteered to host the Spring CCSDS meeting.  The location is tentatively planned to be in either Tokyo or Tsukuba, in June 2007.  This is consistent with the CMC preference to generally have the CMC meeting a few months after the Plenary/WG meetings.  

	 

	Concerning the Fall 2008 CMC meeting:  

	 

	In the last CMC meeting, we concluded that it would be generally advantageous for the CMC meeting to follow the Plenary/WG meetings by an interval of a few months.   However, as the Secretariat was working this with DLR (the host of the Fall 08 meetings), it was noted that the second Interoperability Plenary (IOP-2) meeting is also being planned for December 2008, and that could be a significant conflict.  Also, with the IOAG meeting in September, it would be best for the CMC to meet in October to respond to the outcome of the IOAG meeting, and prepare for the IOP in December.   As a result we are recommending that for the Berlin meeting (only) we keep the original plan of two weeks of meetings with the CESG/CMC/ISO meeting in the second week.  Dates are October 13 to 23, as described by the original plan at http://public.ccsds.org/meetings/DispForm.aspx?ID=64.  If any CMC members have concerns about this schedule, please let us know.   

	 

	Concerning the Spring 2009 CMC meeting:  

	 

	This is still expected to be a few months after the Spring 2009 Plenary meeting hosted by NASA.  INPE is looking into their ability to host this CMC meeting in Brazil.  INPE will not be able to confirm this until March 2008.  

	 

	Best regards,

	 

	   -=- Mike

	 

	Mike Kearney

	NASA MSFC EO-01

	256-544-2029

	 

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