[CMC] Review of CCSDS documents with CCSDS and ISO

Wed Sep 28 04:50:42 EDT 2005

Jean-Marc,

The reason that I picked on CNSA is that we have dealt with them a lot. However, you and Eduardo are correct that we need the most appropriate agency. This may well not be CNSA. I suggest we all think about how best to ensure we do approach the most appropriate one.

Peter

	-----Original Message-----
	From: cmc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:cmc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Eduardo W. Bergamini
	Sent: 27 September 2005 19:18
	To: Soula Jean-Marc
	Cc: CCSDS Management Council
	Subject: Re:RE: [CMC] Review of CCSDS documents with CCSDS and ISO

	Dear Jean-Marc,

	You also made a pertinent, fundamental point. The actual scenario is rather complex and the solution may not be so obvious, necessarily. In order to avoid a precipitated move, it would be better for CCSDS to carefully select the Chinese organization to be effectively addressed with an invitation, implied by the naturally expected rights and commitments. Perhaps, indirectly, the process may be triggered first through a higher level Chinese authority that may have an overall acquaintance on the space activities of the country and that, hopefully, may have or be able able to obtain decision power for recommending to CCSDS the proper organization to be addressed, in the case. In other words, it is worth for CCSDS to plan in sufficient detail, "a-priori", the Chinese organization to be addressed and the way the addressing itself should be instrumented for actual implementation, through the best possible channel, be it directly, or not to a specific organization.

	Best regards,

	Eduardo
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		----- Original Message ----- 
		From: Soula Jean-Marc <mailto:jean-marc.soula at cnes.fr>  
		To: 'Allan, PM (Peter)' <mailto:P.M.Allan at rl.ac.uk>  
		Cc: CCSDS Management Council <mailto:cmc at mailman.ccsds.org>  
		Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 1:51 PM
		Subject: RE : [CMC] Review of CCSDS documents with CCSDS and ISO

		Hi Peter,

		you are so fast that I couldn't react before ...

		I have two questions in fact to better understand your proposal:

		- first one on the procedure to become a member : is it written in one CCSDS document ?
		I think we need a common reference : for instance, I thought we need a candidate and not an invitation, as a member has some rights but also some comittments.
		De facto, a candidate shows its interest and motivation ...

		- second one on your selection of CNSA as the new potential member : why this choice and are you sure of it ?
		From what I know, CNSA looks like a programme agency with big achievements ... but CAS is member of SC-13 and CAST (Space Technology) is observer in CCSDS CMC (present in Montreal and Toulouse) ; also CLTC owns, develops and operates the Chinese ground facilities. Each of them could be pertinent as the representative of China in the CMC, but only one may be nominated ... by China. 

		Your clarifications are welcome

		Best regards

		Jean-Marc SOULA 
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		-----Message d'origine-----
		De : Allan, PM (Peter) [mailto:P.M.Allan at rl.ac.uk] 
		Envoyé : mardi 27 septembre 2005 15:54
		À : Adrian J. Hooke; CCSDS Management Council
		Objet : RE: [CMC] Review of CCSDS documents with CCSDS and ISO

		Adrian,

		I am happy to propose a resolution to the effect that the management council should consider inviting CNSA to become a full member of CCSDS in recognition of the increasing importance of China in the space arena.

		Peter
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			-----Original Message-----
			From: cmc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:cmc-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Adrian J. Hooke
			Sent: 27 September 2005 14:35
			To: CCSDS Management Council
			Subject: Re: [CMC] Review of CCSDS documents with CCSDS and ISO

			At 02:42 AM 9/27/2005, Allan, PM (Peter) wrote:

				He then raised the interesting question (which is why I am sending this e-mail) of what we will do in the future as China plays a growing role in space, presumably wanting to use space standards in the process, given that they are not a member of CCSDS, but may well increasingly comment through the ISO process. An obvious answer is to invite them to become members of CCSDS. I am raising this now simply to try to head off any problems that could be caused by a lot of comments through the ISO review process. China has been a low key member of SC13 in the past, but this may not continue in the future.

			I agree that this could be a good pro-active move to avoid future problems with disruptive comments coming in through ISO. It also makes sense given China's emergence as a space "player". Presumably:

			1. Someone needs to formulate a Resolution to invite China to become a CCSDS Member.

			2. The current Members need to vote on the Resolution.

			Peter: are you willing to introduce this as a formal CMC Resolution? If so, it would be useful to do this now so that the Agencies can develop their positions prior to the CMC meeting.

			///adrian

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