[CMC] CMC: flow of events for Athens meeting?

[Eduardo W. Bergamini]

MessageJean-Marc,

It is clarified. I also feel we have, inclusively, this basic homework ahead of us. We have to touch it as in depth as possible, also in Athens.

Best regards,

Eduardo
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Soula Jean-Marc 
  To: 'Eduardo W. Bergamini' 
  Cc: 'Adrian J. Hooke' ; CCSDS Management Council 
  Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 11:35 AM
  Subject: RE : RE: RE : [CMC] CMC: flow of events for Athens meeting?


  Eduardo,

  I think that, if everybody agrees with it, we will have an order of the meetings in 2005 that is not in the usual order (WG->CESG->CMC) but in a new different order (CESG->CMC->WG). Let's wait for the final confirmation on that ...

  Based on Adrian's explanations I understand this can work and will just involve more e-communications at CMC level, in between meetings. At this stage, it doesn't mean that face to face meetings will disappear but they will concentrate on management issues and discussions with OMG and will allow SC13 meetings to be held.

  I'm not sure that in Athens we may make decisions on long term operating procedures for CMC. At least, it will be a point to discuss, just because in the short term, we will be in this situation to have meetings in a different order and we must make more use of e-communications. It may work. For me a good indicator is already with the amounts of actions and decisions that we will agree upon and process from now, as they result from a F04 meeting during which they were not fully formulated. For all of those reasons, I see it as an experiment. If the fall meeting is agreed to be a joint one with OMG again, we have to consider this experiment over one year. If at the F05 meeting we may conclude it is workable, the experiment may serve as a baseline for the longer term ...

  I hope this clarifies my previous statements

  Best regards
  Jean-Marc SOULA 
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  -----Message d'origine-----
  De : Eduardo W. Bergamini [mailto:e.w.bergamini at uol.com.br] 
  Envoyé : jeudi 3 février 2005 19:49
  À : Soula Jean-Marc
  Cc : 'Adrian J. Hooke'; CCSDS Management Council
  Objet : Re:RE: RE : [CMC] CMC: flow of events for Athens meeting?


  Jean-Marc,

  I appreciate your pondering which, if  I understand it in more depth, would ask for a CMC review and possible redirectioning of its own operating procedures As such, it  may result in a new, updated dynamics for supporting its basically semestral long working items, mostly, biased by the traditional, semestral regime of WG and BOF periodical, face-to-face meetings. To some extent I see it, at least, as part of a natural process of stabilization of the CCSDS new paradigm, resulting from the extensive reformulation which CCSDS is actually coming through, after its still recent adoption of a whole new structure. Not to mention its reflections to/from SC13 related work (TC999...) and the new, significant, somewhat experimental, and still maturing involvements being posed by OMG and IOAG, among other correlated issues, like a whole new and very significant multifunctional, servicing Web site being made available for the Committee, as a whole. Although just as a personal opinion, I see it as a new "working/action item" for CMC, for desirable reflection/consideration, in Athens. Other opinions ?

  Best regards,

  Eduardo
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    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Soula Jean-Marc 
    To: 'Adrian J. Hooke' 
    Cc: CCSDS Management Council 
    Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 5:06 AM
    Subject: RE : RE : [CMC] CMC: flow of events for Athens meeting?


    Adrian,

    except an answer from Peter and wise comments from Eduardo, I've not seen if other CMC members answered your proposal.

    For me, I confirm my interest in taking all possible benefits from the joint meeting with OMG and in attending the joint session.
    Then, if everybody agrees, I would follow your ideas on the dates of the next CMC.

    I like the term "experiment" and I think we need to discuss at this upcoming CMC if this experiment may trigger a different working method.
    So far for me , the "anomaly" is more with the fact that at CMC level, not much happens in between the meetings and it doesn't work as you say it should do ... and probably as other groups in CCSDS better do. 
    So, let's try it, if we all agree on it ...
    Let's also see how much of the actions and resolutions of the two previous CMC meetings will be processed before april via e-communications and we have a good indication of the feasibility of the new methods.

    Best regards
    Jean-Marc SOULA 



     -----Message d'origine-----
    De : Adrian J. Hooke [mailto:adrian.j.hooke at jpl.nasa.gov] 
    Envoyé : mardi 1 février 2005 19:02
    À : CCSDS Management Council
    Objet : RE : [CMC] CMC: flow of events for Athens meeting?
    Importance : Haute


    At 11:44 PM 1/31/2005, Soula Jean-Marc wrote:

      Nevertheless, I've a question on the drawbacks of holding the CESG and CMC meetings  before or in parallel to the CCSDS Working Group meetings. Obviously the CESG report cannot bring the most recent messages from the groups and areas if we place things in that order. Maybe you have workaround solutions in mind ; could you please clarify ?

    Jean-Marc: to address this question, I think that we first need to separate the issue of CESG reporting from the needs of the CMC to meet in an effective manner to manage the organization. 

    The normal mode of working of CCSDS is that the CESG will flow work items to the CMC 365-days/year, using electronic communications and voting media. It's actually an anomaly that twice per year we suddenly bunch all of the decision-making together into a hastily-prepared face-to-face report, and expect the CMC to react in real time to a large volume of complex recommendations, communicated in presentation format. We've also seen several instances where those real-time "paper" recommendations do not get properly formulated, or get lost.

    I therefore think that we should look on this Athens meeting as a welcome opportunity to break the cycle and to try another formula, so that the CMC can spend its face-to-face meetings working primarily on strategic management issues. So here's the sequence that I propose for the Athens meeting:

    1. 06-07 APRIL (all day): The CESG will meet to prepare a summary report of the current status of the Areas/WGs/BOFs, and to identify issues requiring management attention.

    2. 08 APRIL (afternoon): the CESG report will be given to the CMC's opening session.

    3. 11 APRIL (early morning): in a very condensed form, the CESG report will provide introductory material for a brief "CCSDS opening plenary" (to which all of CCSDS delegates will be invited) that will kick-off the technical Area and WG meetings.

    3. 11 APRIL (afternoon): the CESG report material will be used by the Area Directors as a basis for their presentations to the joint OMG/CCSDS "Space Day" plenary session.

    4. 12-13 APRIL: the CMC will re-convene and will meet in parallel with the CCSDS technical meetings; this has the advantage that Area Directors can be called in as necessary to report on special issues, and the CMC can meet with their OMG management counterparts as needed.

    5. 15 APRIL (evening): at a brief closing CESG meeting I will task the Area Directors to update their reports to summarize current status. This updated CESG report, along with appropriately formulated and voted CESG Resolutions, will be transmitted electronically to the CMC within 30-days of the end of the meeting

    Given the particular circumstances of the Athens meeting, I think that this will work well. It's certainly worth an experiment, and if it is successful then we may think about repeating it at the September meeting in Atlanta.

    I'd therefore like to propose that we quickly agree on this revised schedule for Athens, and announce it to everyone as soon as possible.

    Best regards
    Adrian

    Adrian J. Hooke

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