[CMC] CMC: flow of events for Athens meeting?

Fri Feb 4 13:33:11 EST 2005

Jean-Marc,

I concur. I think that this is a worth while experiment.

Andy
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At 05:35 AM 2/4/2005, Soula Jean-Marc wrote:
>Eduardo,
>
>I think that, if everybody agrees with it, we will have an order of the 
>meetings in 2005 that is not in the usual order (WG->CESG->CMC) but in a 
>new different order (CESG->CMC->WG). Let's wait for the final confirmation 
>on that ...
>
>Based on Adrian's explanations I understand this can work and will just 
>involve more e-communications at CMC level, in between meetings. At this 
>stage, it doesn't mean that face to face meetings will disappear but they 
>will concentrate on management issues and discussions with OMG and will 
>allow SC13 meetings to be held.
>
>I'm not sure that in Athens we may make decisions on long term operating 
>procedures for CMC. At least, it will be a point to discuss, just because 
>in the short term, we will be in this situation to have meetings in a 
>different order and we must make more use of e-communications. It may 
>work. For me a good indicator is already with the amounts of actions and 
>decisions that we will agree upon and process from now, as they result 
>from a F04 meeting during which they were not fully formulated. For all of 
>those reasons, I see it as an experiment. If the fall meeting is agreed to 
>be a joint one with OMG again, we have to consider this experiment over 
>one year. If at the F05 meeting we may conclude it is workable, the 
>experiment may serve as a baseline for the longer term ...
>
>I hope this clarifies my previous statements
>
>Best regards
>
>Jean-Marc SOULA
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>-----Message d'origine-----
>De : Eduardo W. Bergamini [mailto:e.w.bergamini at uol.com.br]
>Envoyé : jeudi 3 février 2005 19:49
>À : Soula Jean-Marc
>Cc : 'Adrian J. Hooke'; CCSDS Management Council
>Objet : Re:RE: RE : [CMC] CMC: flow of events for Athens meeting?
>
>Jean-Marc,
>
>I appreciate your pondering which, if  I understand it in more depth, 
>would ask for a CMC review and possible redirectioning of its own 
>operating procedures As such, it  may result in a new, updated dynamics 
>for supporting its basically semestral long working items, mostly, biased 
>by the traditional, semestral regime of WG and BOF periodical, 
>face-to-face meetings. To some extent I see it, at least, as part of a 
>natural process of stabilization of the CCSDS new paradigm, resulting from 
>the extensive reformulation which CCSDS is actually coming through, after 
>its still recent adoption of a whole new structure. Not to mention its 
>reflections to/from SC13 related work (TC999...) and the new, significant, 
>somewhat experimental, and still maturing involvements being posed by OMG 
>and IOAG, among other correlated issues, like a whole new and very 
>significant multifunctional, servicing Web site being made available for 
>the Committee, as a whole. Although just as a personal opinion, I see it 
>as a new "working/action item" for CMC, for desirable 
>reflection/consideration, in Athens. Other opinions ?
>
>Best regards,
>
>Eduardo
>_________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:Jean-Marc.Soula at cnes.fr>Soula Jean-Marc
>To: <mailto:adrian.j.hooke at jpl.nasa.gov>'Adrian J. Hooke'
>Cc: <mailto:cmc at mailman.ccsds.org>CCSDS Management Council
>Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 5:06 AM
>Subject: RE : RE : [CMC] CMC: flow of events for Athens meeting?
>
>Adrian,
>
>except an answer from Peter and wise comments from Eduardo, I've not seen 
>if other CMC members answered your proposal.
>
>For me, I confirm my interest in taking all possible benefits from the 
>joint meeting with OMG and in attending the joint session.
>Then, if everybody agrees, I would follow your ideas on the dates of the 
>next CMC.
>
>I like the term "experiment" and I think we need to discuss at this 
>upcoming CMC if this experiment may trigger a different working method.
>So far for me , the "anomaly" is more with the fact that at CMC level, not 
>much happens in between the meetings and it doesn't work as you say it 
>should do ... and probably as other groups in CCSDS better do.
>So, let's try it, if we all agree on it ...
>Let's also see how much of the actions and resolutions of the two previous 
>CMC meetings will be processed before april via e-communications and we 
>have a good indication of the feasibility of the new methods.
>
>Best regards
>
>Jean-Marc SOULA
>
>  -----Message d'origine-----
>De : Adrian J. Hooke [mailto:adrian.j.hooke at jpl.nasa.gov]
>Envoyé : mardi 1 février 2005 19:02
>À : CCSDS Management Council
>Objet : RE : [CMC] CMC: flow of events for Athens meeting?
>Importance : Haute
>
>At 11:44 PM 1/31/2005, Soula Jean-Marc wrote:
>>Nevertheless, I've a question on the drawbacks of holding the CESG and 
>>CMC meetings  before or in parallel to the CCSDS Working Group meetings. 
>>Obviously the CESG report cannot bring the most recent messages from the 
>>groups and areas if we place things in that order. Maybe you have 
>>workaround solutions in mind ; could you please clarify ?
>
>Jean-Marc: to address this question, I think that we first need to 
>separate the issue of CESG reporting from the needs of the CMC to meet in 
>an effective manner to manage the organization.
>
>The normal mode of working of CCSDS is that the CESG will flow work items 
>to the CMC 365-days/year, using electronic communications and voting 
>media. It's actually an anomaly that twice per year we suddenly bunch all 
>of the decision-making together into a hastily-prepared face-to-face 
>report, and expect the CMC to react in real time to a large volume of 
>complex recommendations, communicated in presentation format. We've also 
>seen several instances where those real-time "paper" recommendations do 
>not get properly formulated, or get lost.
>
>I therefore think that we should look on this Athens meeting as a welcome 
>opportunity to break the cycle and to try another formula, so that the CMC 
>can spend its face-to-face meetings working primarily on strategic 
>management issues. So here's the sequence that I propose for the Athens 
>meeting:
>
>1. 06-07 APRIL (all day): The CESG will meet to prepare a summary report 
>of the current status of the Areas/WGs/BOFs, and to identify issues 
>requiring management attention.
>
>2. 08 APRIL (afternoon): the CESG report will be given to the CMC's 
>opening session.
>
>3. 11 APRIL (early morning): in a very condensed form, the CESG report 
>will provide introductory material for a brief "CCSDS opening plenary" (to 
>which all of CCSDS delegates will be invited) that will kick-off the 
>technical Area and WG meetings.
>
>3. 11 APRIL (afternoon): the CESG report material will be used by the Area 
>Directors as a basis for their presentations to the joint OMG/CCSDS "Space 
>Day" plenary session.
>
>4. 12-13 APRIL: the CMC will re-convene and will meet in parallel with the 
>CCSDS technical meetings; this has the advantage that Area Directors can 
>be called in as necessary to report on special issues, and the CMC can 
>meet with their OMG management counterparts as needed.
>
>5. 15 APRIL (evening): at a brief closing CESG meeting I will task the 
>Area Directors to update their reports to summarize current status. This 
>updated CESG report, along with appropriately formulated and voted CESG 
>Resolutions, will be transmitted electronically to the CMC within 30-days 
>of the end of the meeting
>
>Given the particular circumstances of the Athens meeting, I think that 
>this will work well. It's certainly worth an experiment, and if it is 
>successful then we may think about repeating it at the September meeting 
>in Atlanta.
>
>I'd therefore like to propose that we quickly agree on this revised 
>schedule for Athens, and announce it to everyone as soon as possible.
>
>Best regards
>Adrian
>
>Adrian J. Hooke
>
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