[CESG] Reassess the production steps of the Yellow Books : [EXTERNAL] Fw: [Cesg-all] New CESG Polls

Fri Feb 14 08:20:31 UTC 2020

Peter,
        I am not asking for an extension, at least now.
If on 19 February I see that other priorities prevented my full check, I 
might ask for extension.

Regards

Gian Paolo

From:   "Shames, Peter M (US 312B)" <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
To:     "Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int" <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>, 
"CCSDS CESG --" <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>
Date:   13-02-20 20:33
Subject:        Re: [CESG] Reassess the production steps of the Yellow 
Books : [EXTERNAL] Fw: [Cesg-all] New CESG Polls

Thanks Gippo,

If I read your intent you agree that we should continue the current 
polling, according to the guidelines, and that you are not asking for an 
extension.

Thanks.

I look forward to your PIDs, should there be any.

Thanks, Peter

From: CESG <cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of Gian Paolo 
Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari at esa.int>
Date: Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 7:13 AM
To: CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>
Subject: [CESG] Reassess the production steps of the Yellow Books : 
[EXTERNAL] Fw: [Cesg-all] New CESG Polls

Peter, 
        for the ongoing polls (that are not affected by Margherita's 
proposal as far I understand from  her mail) I would be against an 'a 
priori" extension of the review period. 
In other words, let's see if anybody does such a request. 
I would only recommend everybody giving input via PIDs (for this and for 
all polls) such that the most correct interaction can be held. 

I am not sure it is allowed to not allow ABSTAIN as vote :o) 
If allowed the result could be in somebody not voting. 
BTW, I do not plan to vote ABSTAIN. 

For the rest I am open to listen to Margherita's considerations with 
respect to the (future) production steps of the Yellow Books. 

Best regards 

Gian Paolo 

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Date:        12-02-20 17:35 
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Paolo Calzolari/esoc/ESA] 

Dear Margherita,

I must admit to being a little puzzled by your comments, but I agree that 
this is worthy of discussion.  That said, I really do not want to see 
these edits to the Yellow Books significantly delayed because they are 
intended to clarify procedures for the WG and to remove ambiguities.  The 
longer we delay cleaning this up the more work we make for the WG and the 
CESG.

in the CCSDS Org & Proc doc, A02x1y4c2, the process for this sort of 
Administrative Track document that is normative upon CCSDS is quite clear:

6.1.6 ADMINISTRATIVE TRACK 
The Administrative Track consists of the following: – CCSDS Record (Yellow 
Book). 
… 
Yellow Books may also be used to document CCSDS internal processes, 
procedures, and controlling guidelines. This document is itself a CCSDS 
Yellow Book, and it is a controlling document describing CCSDS procedures. 
Any CCSDS Yellow Book that is normative upon CCSDS itself requires CESG 
and CMC approval polling. 
The issues that we have had with the ambiguities were brought up in the 
CESG meeting as part of the SEA overall report, (see attached 
d01-SANA-SSG).  There was a separate SANA Issues presentation to the CESG 
that addressed in more detail the issues and the specific changes that 
were in discussion (see attached "SANA-SSG-Issues & Proposal").  The CESG 
had some comments and they were addressed in the version of the materials 
I attached here.  These documents were prepared by the SEA SAWG and were 
reviewed within the SANA Steering Group (SSG) which includes SANA, 
Secretariat, and CESG members from several agencies.  Several working 
telecons were held with the SSG, Secretariat, and the SANA Operator to 
make sure that the actual process and steps was properly described so that 
Working groups would have no ambiguities to wrestle with.

I believe that the normal course of approval for such Administrative Track 
documents that are normative on CCSDS is the one that we are on.  This is 
what we followed for the original versions of these documents and I can 
see no reason why these updates should not follow the same documented 
process.   These Yellow Books are supposed to be reviewed and approved, or 
not, by the CESG, and then concurred, or not, by the CMC. 

That said, I do agree that there are a number of documents in the review 
queue, all of which properly require the attention of the CESG.  I suggest 
the following approach, at least for these:
1.        That the review period, at least for these documents, can be 
extended by a week.
2.        That a vote of "Abstain, does not affect my area" not be 
allowed.  Every Area that uses registries will be affected by these.

I do not think that it will be helpful, nor a contribution to the smooth 
workings of the CCSDS, to delay this until the Spring meeting.

Very best regards, Peter

From: CESG <cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of 
"Margherita.di.Giulio at esa.int" <Margherita.di.Giulio at esa.int>
Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 7:19 AM
To: CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [CESG] Fw: [Cesg-all] New CESG Polls

Dear Peter, dear  CESG colleagues, 

looking at the (attached) list of Polls, I noticed the number of Yellow 
Books that are in the publication poll, that is,  they have reached their 
final stage. 
I was reflecting on the fact that for Yellow Books - those YB belonging to 
the administrative track -  the normal practises foreseen for the other 
books are not required. Namely, it is not required to:: 
- create a draft project 
- have it approved by the CMC 
- run the  Agency Review of the draft document 

This means, that the Yellow Books only become (formally) "visible" when 
they are ready for publication (or equivalently, when the ADs issues the 
relevant resolution). 

Given the increasing importance-  and number ! - of the Yellow Books, and 
acknowledging their key role in governing the CCSDS practises, I would 
like to reassess the production steps of the Yellow Books 
I mean that, there should be a  sort of milestone,  where 
assessment/review gets requested. This could involve, for instance,  the 
ADs. 
(If I remember well, this was informally done only when the Org & Proc 
book was  established.). 
For  YB  all we have today is that  some sort of assessment can only be 
done during the polling process by the ADs ( by issuing PIDs). However 
this can't be considered  a mean to review  the  document. 

I will bring this point to discussion, either at the next Telecon, or at 
the Spring Meeting. 
Meanwhile, please let me know  if you have comments or proposals, 
Kind regard,
Margherita 

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Margherita di Giulio 
Ground Station Systems Division 
Backend Software Section (OPS-GSB) 

European Space Agency ESA/ESOC
Robert-Bosch-Str. 5
D-64293 Darmstadt - Germany
Tel: +49-6151-902779
e-mail: Margherita.di.Giulio at esa.int

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Date:        05/02/2020 00:48 
Subject:        [Cesg-all] New CESG Polls 
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Dear CESG Members,

Seven new CESG polls have been posted to the CWE:

- CESG-P-2020-02-001 Approval to publish CCSDS 
313.0-Y-3, Space Assigned Numbers Authority 
(SANA)—Role, Responsibilities, Policies, and Procedures Yellow Book, Issue 
3)
- CESG-P-2020-02-002 Approval to publish CCSDS 
313.1-Y-2, CCSDS SANA Registry Management Policy Yellow Book, Issue 2)
- CESG-P-2020-02-003 Approval to publish CCSDS 
313.2-Y-2, Procedures for SANA Registry Specification Yellow Book, Issue 
2)
- CESG-P-2020-02-004 Approval to publish CCSDS 
315.1-Y-1, CCSDS URN Namespace Policy (Yellow Book, Issue 1)
- CESG-P-2020-02-005 Approval to publish CCSDS 
500.2-G-2, Navigation Data Messages Overview (Green Book, Issue 2)
- CESG-P-2020-02-006 Approval to publish CCSDS 
920.0-G-1, Cross Support Transfer Service 
Specification Framework Concept (Green Book, Issue 1)
- CESG-P-2020-02-007 Approval to publish CCSDS 
660.2-G-2, XML Telemetric and Command Exchange (XTCE) (Green Book, Issue 
2)

These polls can be accessed via the following link:

https://public.ccsds.org/polls/SitePages/CESG%20Open%20Polls.aspx

The closure date for these polls is 18 February 2020

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Deputy Area Directors vote on CESG polls.
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