<span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Peter,</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">
I am not asking for an extension, at least now.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">If on 19 February
I see that other priorities prevented my full check, I might ask for extension.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Regards</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Gian Paolo</span>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">From:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">"Shames,
Peter M (US 312B)" <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov></span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">To:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">"Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int"
<Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int>, "CCSDS CESG --" <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Date:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">13-02-20
20:33</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Subject:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">Re:
[CESG] Reassess the production steps of the Yellow Books : [EXTERNAL] Fw:
[Cesg-all] New CESG Polls</span>
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<br>
<br>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Thanks
Gippo,</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">If
I read your intent you agree that we should continue the current polling,
according to the guidelines, and that you are not asking for an extension.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Thanks.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">I
look forward to your PIDs, should there be any.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Thanks,
Peter</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri"><b>From:
</b>CESG <cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of Gian Paolo
Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int><b><br>
Date: </b>Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 7:13 AM<b><br>
To: </b>CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><b><br>
Subject: </b>[CESG] Reassess the production steps of the Yellow Books :
[EXTERNAL] Fw: [Cesg-all] New CESG Polls</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">Peter,
<br>
for the ongoing polls (that are not affected
by Margherita's proposal as far I understand from her mail) I would
be against an 'a priori" extension of the review period.</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
In other words, let's see if anybody does such a request.</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
I would only recommend everybody giving input via PIDs (for this and for
all polls) such that the most correct interaction can be held.</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
I am not sure it is allowed to not allow ABSTAIN as vote :o)</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
If allowed the result could be in somebody not voting.</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
BTW, I do not plan to vote ABSTAIN.</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
For the rest I am open to listen to Margherita's considerations with respect
to the (future) production steps of the Yellow Books.</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
Best regards</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> <br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
Gian Paolo</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> <br>
<br>
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
From: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"Shames,
Peter M\(US 312B\) via CESG" <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org></span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
To: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int"
<Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int>, "cesg@mailman.ccsds.org"
<cesg@mailman.ccsds.org></span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
Date: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">12-02-20
17:35</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
Subject: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">Re:
[CESG] [EXTERNAL] Fw: [Cesg-all] New CESG Polls</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
Sent by: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"CESG"
<cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org></span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span></p>
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</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
[attachment "d01-SANA-SSG-Report-to-CMC Fall 2019v1.pptx" deleted
by Gian Paolo Calzolari/esoc/ESA] <br>
[attachment "SANA-SSG Issues & Proposal 13Nov19.pptx" deleted
by Gian Paolo Calzolari/esoc/ESA] </span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"><br>
</span></p>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">Dear Margherita,</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">I must admit to being a little puzzled
by your comments, but I agree that this is worthy of discussion. That
said, I really do not want to see these edits to the Yellow Books significantly
delayed because they are intended to clarify procedures for the WG and
to remove ambiguities. The longer we delay cleaning this up the more
work we make for the WG and the CESG.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">in the CCSDS Org & Proc doc, A02x1y4c2,
the process for this sort of Administrative Track document that is normative
upon CCSDS is quite clear:</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#0082bf;font-family:Calibri"><b><br>
6.1.6 ADMINISTRATIVE TRACK </b><br>
The Administrative Track consists of the following: – CCSDS Record (Yellow
Book). <br>
…</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#0082bf;font-family:Calibri"><br>
Yellow Books may also be used to document CCSDS internal processes, procedures,
and controlling guidelines. This document is itself a CCSDS Yellow Book,
and it is a controlling document describing CCSDS procedures. Any CCSDS
Yellow Book that is normative upon CCSDS itself requires CESG and CMC approval
polling. </span></p>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">The issues that we have had with the
ambiguities were brought up in the CESG meeting as part of the SEA overall
report, (see attached d01-SANA-SSG). There was a separate SANA Issues
presentation to the CESG that addressed in more detail the issues and the
specific changes that were in discussion (see attached "SANA-SSG-Issues
& Proposal"). The CESG had some comments and they were addressed
in the version of the materials I attached here. These documents
were prepared by the SEA SAWG and were reviewed within the SANA Steering
Group (SSG) which includes SANA, Secretariat, and CESG members from several
agencies. Several working telecons were held with the SSG, Secretariat,
and the SANA Operator to make sure that the actual process and steps was
properly described so that Working groups would have no ambiguities to
wrestle with.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">I believe that the normal course of approval
for such Administrative Track documents that are normative on CCSDS is
the one that we are on. This is what we followed for the original
versions of these documents and I can see no reason why these updates should
not follow the same documented process. These Yellow Books are supposed
to be reviewed and approved, or not, by the CESG, and then concurred, or
not, by the CMC. </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">That said, I do agree that there are
a number of documents in the review queue, all of which properly require
the attention of the CESG. I suggest the following approach, at least
for these:</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">1. That the
review period, at least for these documents, can be extended by a week.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">2. That a
vote of "Abstain, does not affect my area" not be allowed. Every
Area that uses registries will be affected by these.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">I do not think that it will be helpful,
nor a contribution to the smooth workings of the CCSDS, to delay this until
the Spring meeting.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">Very best regards, Peter</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt"><b>From: </b>CESG <cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org>
on behalf of "Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int" <Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int><b><br>
Date: </b>Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 7:19 AM<b><br>
To: </b>CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><b><br>
Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] [CESG] Fw: [Cesg-all] New CESG Polls</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">Dear Peter, dear CESG colleagues,
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
<br>
looking at the (attached) list of Polls, I noticed the number of Yellow
Books that are in the publication poll, that is, they have reached
their final stage.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
I was reflecting on the fact that for Yellow Books - those YB belonging
to the administrative track - the normal practises foreseen for the
other books are not required. Namely, it is not required to::</span><span style=" font-size:12pt">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
- create a draft project</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
- have it approved by the CMC</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
- run the Agency Review of the draft document</span><span style=" font-size:12pt">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
<br>
This means, that the Yellow Books only become (formally) "visible"
when they are ready for publication (or equivalently, when the ADs issues
the relevant resolution).</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
<br>
Given the increasing importance- and number ! - of the Yellow Books,
and acknowledging their key role in governing the CCSDS practises, I would
like to reassess the production steps of the Yellow Books <br>
I mean that, there should be a sort of milestone, where assessment/review
gets requested. This could involve, for instance, the ADs.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
(If I remember well, this was informally done only when the Org & Proc
book was established.).</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
For YB all we have today is that some sort of assessment
can only be done during the polling process by the ADs ( by issuing PIDs).
However this can't be considered a mean to review the document.
<br>
<br>
I will bring this point to discussion, either at the next Telecon, or at
the Spring Meeting.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
Meanwhile, please let me know if you have comments or proposals,</span><span style=" font-size:12pt">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
Kind regard,<br>
Margherita</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> <br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
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Margherita di Giulio</b></span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span><span style=" font-size:8pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Verdana"><br>
Ground Station Systems Division</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span><span style=" font-size:8pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Verdana"><br>
Backend Software Section (OPS-GSB)</span><span style=" font-size:12pt">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:8pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Verdana"><b><br>
<br>
European Space Agency ESA/ESOC</b><br>
Robert-Bosch-Str. 5<br>
D-64293 Darmstadt - Germany<br>
Tel: +49-6151-902779<br>
e-mail: Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"><br>
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#800080;font-family:Arial"><br>
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<br>
From: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"CCSDS
Secretariat" <thomas.gannett@tgannett.net></span><span style=" font-size:12pt">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
To: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</span><span style=" font-size:12pt">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
Cc: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">cesg-all@mailman.ccsds.org</span><span style=" font-size:12pt">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
Date: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">05/02/2020
00:48</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
Subject: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">[Cesg-all]
New CESG Polls</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
Sent by: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"CESG-All"
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</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Courier New"><br>
<br>
Dear CESG Members,<br>
<br>
Seven new CESG polls have been posted to the CWE:<br>
<br>
- CESG-P-2020-02-001 Approval to publish CCSDS <br>
313.0-Y-3, Space Assigned Numbers Authority <br>
(SANA)—Role, Responsibilities, Policies, and Procedures Yellow Book, Issue
3)<br>
- CESG-P-2020-02-002 Approval to publish CCSDS <br>
313.1-Y-2, CCSDS SANA Registry Management Policy Yellow Book, Issue 2)<br>
- CESG-P-2020-02-003 Approval to publish CCSDS <br>
313.2-Y-2, Procedures for SANA Registry Specification Yellow Book, Issue
2)<br>
- CESG-P-2020-02-004 Approval to publish CCSDS <br>
315.1-Y-1, CCSDS URN Namespace Policy (Yellow Book, Issue 1)<br>
- CESG-P-2020-02-005 Approval to publish CCSDS <br>
500.2-G-2, Navigation Data Messages Overview (Green Book, Issue 2)<br>
- CESG-P-2020-02-006 Approval to publish CCSDS <br>
920.0-G-1, Cross Support Transfer Service <br>
Specification Framework Concept (Green Book, Issue 1)<br>
- CESG-P-2020-02-007 Approval to publish CCSDS <br>
660.2-G-2, XML Telemetric and Command Exchange (XTCE) (Green Book, Issue
2)<br>
<br>
These polls can be accessed via the following link:</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue"><u><br>
<br>
</u></span><a href=https://public.ccsds.org/polls/SitePages/CESG%20Open%20Polls.aspx><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Courier New"><u>https://public.ccsds.org/polls/SitePages/CESG%20Open%20Polls.aspx</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Courier New"><br>
<br>
The closure date for these polls is 18 February 2020<br>
<br>
NOTE TO CC RECIPIENTS: Only Area Directors and <br>
Deputy Area Directors vote on CESG polls.<br>
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