[CESG] [Secretariat] [EXTERNAL] Re: CESG Approval of Revised Information Security Glossary

Tue Feb 4 17:55:17 UTC 2020

I think perhaps the term “normative” needs to be defined in the SANA Glossary: Even though the SANA Glossary contains terms derived from normative as well as informative sources, the purpose of having the glossary is to normalize the terms within the CCSDS. The Glossary is in fact intended to be “normative” for the CCSDS regardless of the source of the terms: we do adjure all document developers that they should consult it, preferentially use terms defined in it, not arbitrarily redefine terms that already exist in it, etc.

Unfortunately, the SANA Glossary is also in a draft state, so discussions of its normative force are academic at the present time.

Logothete, L.L.C.

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Subject: Re: [Secretariat] [CESG] [EXTERNAL] Re: CESG Approval of Revised Information Security Glossary

There is an additional case: terms defined in an informative annex of a Blue Book.   :o) 

Regards 

Gian Paolo 

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I would say that's a "qualified yes".  The normative documents in CCSDS are Blue and Magenta, and so the documents are authoritative.  The Glossary only contains terms that are published in CCSDS documents and it includes the references to those source documents.

The "qualified" part is that there are terms in the Glossary that were were pulled in from Green Books.  As such these are not normative.  So as long as you stick with terms from normative documents I think you are on safe ground.

Thanks, Peter

From: Howie Weiss <Howard.Weiss at parsons.com>
Date: Monday, February 3, 2020 at 11:28 AM
To: Peter Shames <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>, Erik Barkley <erik.j.barkley at jpl.nasa.gov>, "Wilmot, Jonathan J. (GSFC-5820)" <Jonathan.J.Wilmot at NASA.gov>
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: CESG Approval of Revised Information Security Glossary

Peter 

Question - in its current state, can a CCSDS document use the SANA glossary as a normative reference?   

howie 

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: CESG Approval of Revised Information Security Glossary 

Guys,

Once this document is approved those terms will be entered into / updated in the SANA Terminology registry.

That is the process and has been for years.

Thanks, Peter

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Date: Monday, February 3, 2020 at 10:07 AM
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Subject: RE: CESG Approval of Revised Information Security Glossary

Howie,

Glad to hear you agree with getting the terms into SANA. With regard to getting “it” into SANA (existing glossary and/or security terms glossary – “it” was not quite clear to me but I assume security terms) I think that is something best initiated under the cognizance of the SE Area.  I’ll be happy to “second” any motion if need be, but I think the origin for any such request has to be with the SE Area. I am copying Peter on this email.

Best regards,

-Erik 

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] FW: CESG Approval of Revised Information Security Glossary

Erik and Jonathan

I just saw your comments regarding the Information Security Glossary and I couldn’t agree with you more.  

It has always been our plan that the glossary move into SANA.  Others have voiced the same opinion.  However, there has been no movement.  I’ve heard that the existing glossary found on the SANA web site required the first attention since its not been reviewed or revised.  Maybe you guys can initiate some movement to get it into SANA?

Regards

howie

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FYI - The CESG has approved the revised Information Security Glossary:

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CESG E-Poll Identifier:  CESG-P-2019-12-004 Approval to publish CCSDS 350.8-M-2, Information Security Glossary of Terms (Magenta Book, Issue 2) Results of CESG poll beginning 31 December 2019 and ending 29 January 2020:

               Abstain:  0 (0%) 

Approve Unconditionally:  6 (100%) (Barkley, Merri, Shames, Burleigh, Moury, Wilmot) 

Approve with Conditions:  0 (0%) 

Disapprove with Comment:  0 (0%)

CONDITIONS/COMMENTS:

     Erik Barkley (Approve Unconditionally):  A comment/question (not a condition):  Seems like it would make sense to have this in SANA rather than a book -- has that been considered? In terms of normative application the MB could still be normative in identifying SANA registry and the update/governance policy.

     Jonathan Wilmot (Approve

Unconditionally):  I agree with Eric that glossaries would be better in SANA as they are living documents that will change over time.  Example: where would terms from BPsec be placed?

Total Respondents:  6

All Areas responded to this question.

SECRETARIAT INTERPRETATION OF RESULTS:  Approved Unconditionally

PROPOSED SECRETARIAT ACTION:            Generate CMC poll

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