[CESG] Privatize or obscure?: [Secretariat] FW: Publicly Available CCSDS Mailing List Archives

Thu Nov 1 09:05:42 UTC 2018

One additional remark: Right now the link " Click here to view archives" 
available at https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/default.aspx goes nowhere also fro 
me CESG Memeber

Should we rather Privatize tha obscure those lists?

Ciao

Gippo

From:   "Thomas Gannett" <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
To:     "'Shames, Peter M \(312B\)'" <Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov>, 
"'Oliver, Brian \(HQ-CG000\)[Arctic Slope Technical Services, Inc.]'" 
<brian.oliver at nasa.gov>
Cc:     'CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec' 
<cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>
Date:   27-10-18 19:25
Subject:        Re: [CESG] [Secretariat] FW: Publicly Available CCSDS 
Mailing List    Archives
Sent by:        "CESG" <cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org>

We should also note that Brian’s responsiveness never goes unappreciated. 
But in this case I think some discussion is needed before action is taken, 
since oftentimes changes that seem simple and straightforward turn out to 
have anticipated ramifications.

Logothete, L.L.C.
thomas.gannett at tgannett.net
+1 443 472 0805

From: Thomas Gannett [mailto:thomas.gannett at tgannett.net] 
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 1:21 PM
To: 'Shames, Peter M (312B)'; 'Oliver, Brian (HQ-CG000)[Arctic Slope 
Technical Services, Inc.]'
Cc: 'CCSDS Secretariat'; 'CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec'
Subject: RE: [Secretariat] [CESG] FW: Publicly Available CCSDS Mailing 
List Archives

Peter: Indeed. –Tom

Logothete, L.L.C.
thomas.gannett at tgannett.net
+1 443 472 0805

From: Shames, Peter M (312B) [mailto:Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov] 
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 12:12 PM
To: Thomas Gannett; Oliver, Brian (HQ-CG000)[Arctic Slope Technical 
Services, Inc.]
Cc: CCSDS Secretariat; CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec
Subject: Re: [Secretariat] [CESG] FW: Publicly Available CCSDS Mailing 
List Archives

Tom,

Please note that I did not assert any authority over visibility of these 
lists.  I only raised the issue for discussion. 

It was Brian who acted unilaterally to hide the lists.

For the record, Peter

From: Tom Gannett <thomas.gannett at tgannett.net>
Date: Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 8:29 AM
To: Brian Oliver <brian.oliver at nasa.gov>
Cc: Peter Shames <Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov>, CCSDS Secretariat 
<secretariat at mailman.ccsds.org>, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG 
Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>
Subject: Re: [Secretariat] [CESG] FW: Publicly Available CCSDS Mailing 
List Archives

All this is well and good, but I fail to see any reason to make those 
lists private. CCSDS is not a secret organization, the work reflected in 
the archives is publicly funded and neither classified nor sensitive, and 
nothing is going on in either the CESG or CMC that justifies hiding the 
list archives.  Beyond that, I believe they were made public by design, 
and the SEA AD has no authority over the visibility of the CESG and CMC 
mailing lists.

If a change like this is going to be made, it needs at the very least to 
have a CMC resolution associated with it to obviate head scratching next 
time someone asks why the archives are hidden from public view.

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Oliver, Brian (HQ-CG000)[Arctic Slope 
Technical Services, Inc.] <brian.oliver at nasa.gov> wrote:
All, 

I have just made the following Mailing List archives “private”.

CMC
CMC-EXEC
CESG
CESG-EXEC

Thanks,

Brian Oliver
CCSDS IT Tech Support 

On Oct 26, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Shames, Peter M (312B) <
Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:

Dear CESG,

AT various times we have talked about the expectation that the CCSDS 
mailing lists, at least some of them, are closed and therefore private to 
that group.  This is a particular concern, I think, for the CESG and CMC 
discussions.  We control who can be added to those lists and also who can 
post to them.  But it appears that this "privacy" is not really the case 
since the email list archives are open to being read by anyone at all.

See the following notice from the Sec WG.

Also, see the CMC archives at https://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cmc/

I think we should probably suggest that the Secretariat do something about 
this.

Regards, Peter

From: Howie Weiss <Howard.Weiss at parsons.com>
Date: Friday, October 26, 2018 at 10:19 AM
To: Peter Shames <Peter.M.Shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: "'Daniel.Fischer'" <Daniel.Fischer at esa.int>, Howie Weiss <
Howard.Weiss at parsons.com>
Subject: Publicly Available CCSDS Mailing List Archives

Peter

I had an action item from the Security WG that I neglected to do at the 
SEA closing plenary which I now discovered when going through my notes to 
write up the meeting minutes.

The concern is with the working group mailing list archives.  Anyone, 
without any authorization, can read the archives.  As a result, we have 
eliminated any potential for mailing list privacy.  The mail is not just 
available to the members of the mailing list – they are available to 
anyone world-wide.

Here’s a screen shot of the CESG archive that I just viewed (and I can 
read any of the emails listed).

<image001.png>

We believe that this must be fixed ASAP.

Regards

Howie

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