<span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">One additional remark:
Right now the link " Click here to view archives" available at
</span><a href=https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/default.aspx><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:sans-serif">https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/default.aspx</span></a><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">
goes nowhere also fro me CESG Memeber</span>
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<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Should we rather
Privatize tha obscure those lists?</span>
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<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Ciao</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Gippo</span>
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<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">From:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">"Thomas
Gannett" <thomas.gannett@tgannett.net></span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">To:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">"'Shames,
Peter M \(312B\)'" <Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov>, "'Oliver,
Brian \(HQ-CG000\)[Arctic Slope Technical Services, Inc.]'" <brian.oliver@nasa.gov></span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Cc:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">'CCSDS
Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec' <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Date:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">27-10-18
19:25</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Subject:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">Re:
[CESG] [Secretariat] FW: Publicly Available CCSDS Mailing List
Archives</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Sent
by: </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">"CESG"
<cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
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<hr noshade>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri">We
should also note that Brian’s responsiveness never goes unappreciated.
But in this case I think some discussion is needed before action is taken,
since oftentimes changes that seem simple and straightforward turn out
to have anticipated ramifications.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#004080;font-family:Times New Roman"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#004080;font-family:Times New Roman">Logothete,
L.L.C.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#004080;font-family:Times New Roman">thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#004080;font-family:Times New Roman">+1
443 472 0805</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma"><b>From:</b>
Thomas Gannett [</span><a href=mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma">mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</span></a><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma">]
<b><br>
Sent:</b> Saturday, October 27, 2018 1:21 PM<b><br>
To:</b> 'Shames, Peter M (312B)'; 'Oliver, Brian (HQ-CG000)[Arctic Slope
Technical Services, Inc.]'<b><br>
Cc:</b> 'CCSDS Secretariat'; 'CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec'<b><br>
Subject:</b> RE: [Secretariat] [CESG] FW: Publicly Available CCSDS Mailing
List Archives</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri">Peter:
Indeed. –Tom</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#004080;font-family:Times New Roman"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#004080;font-family:Times New Roman">Logothete,
L.L.C.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#004080;font-family:Times New Roman">thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#004080;font-family:Times New Roman">+1
443 472 0805</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma"><b>From:</b>
Shames, Peter M (312B) [</span><a href=mailto:Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma">mailto:Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov</span></a><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma">]
<b><br>
Sent:</b> Saturday, October 27, 2018 12:12 PM<b><br>
To:</b> Thomas Gannett; Oliver, Brian (HQ-CG000)[Arctic Slope Technical
Services, Inc.]<b><br>
Cc:</b> CCSDS Secretariat; CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec<b><br>
Subject:</b> Re: [Secretariat] [CESG] FW: Publicly Available CCSDS Mailing
List Archives</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Tom,</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Please
note that I did not assert any authority over visibility of these lists.
I only raised the issue for discussion. </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">It
was Brian who acted unilaterally to hide the lists.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">For
the record, Peter</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri"><b>From:
</b>Tom Gannett <thomas.gannett@tgannett.net><b><br>
Date: </b>Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 8:29 AM<b><br>
To: </b>Brian Oliver <brian.oliver@nasa.gov><b><br>
Cc: </b>Peter Shames <Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov>, CCSDS Secretariat
<secretariat@mailman.ccsds.org>, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group
- CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><b><br>
Subject: </b>Re: [Secretariat] [CESG] FW: Publicly Available CCSDS Mailing
List Archives</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">All
this is well and good, but I fail to see any reason to make those lists
private. CCSDS is not a secret organization, the work reflected in the
archives is publicly funded and neither classified nor sensitive, and nothing
is going on in either the CESG or CMC that justifies hiding the list archives.
Beyond that, I believe they were made public by design, and the SEA
AD has no authority over the visibility of the CESG and CMC mailing lists.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">If
a change like this is going to be made, it needs at the very least to have
a CMC resolution associated with it to obviate head scratching next time
someone asks why the archives are hidden from public view.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">On
Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Oliver, Brian (HQ-CG000)[Arctic Slope Technical
Services, Inc.] <</span><a href=mailto:brian.oliver@nasa.gov target=_blank><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>brian.oliver@nasa.gov</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">>
wrote:</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">All,
</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">I
have just made the following Mailing List archives “private”.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">CMC</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">CMC-EXEC</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">CESG</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">CESG-EXEC</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Thanks,</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Brian
Oliver</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">CCSDS
IT Tech Support </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">On
Oct 26, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Shames, Peter M (312B) <</span><a href=mailto:Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov target=_blank><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">>
wrote:</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Dear
CESG,</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">AT
various times we have talked about the expectation that the CCSDS mailing
lists, at least some of them, are closed and therefore private to that
group. This is a particular concern, I think, for the CESG and CMC
discussions. We control who can be added to those lists and also
who can post to them. But it appears that this "privacy"
is not really the case since the email list archives are open to being
read by anyone at all.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">See
the following notice from the Sec WG.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Also,
see the CMC archives at </span><a href=https://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cmc/ target=_blank><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#800080;font-family:Calibri"><u>https://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cmc/</u></span></a></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">I
think we should probably suggest that the Secretariat do something about
this.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Regards,
Peter</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri"><b>From:
</b>Howie Weiss <</span><a href=mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.com target=_blank><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#800080;font-family:Calibri"><u>Howard.Weiss@parsons.com</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">><b><br>
Date: </b>Friday, October 26, 2018 at 10:19 AM<b><br>
To: </b>Peter Shames <</span><a href=mailto:Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov target=_blank><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#800080;font-family:Calibri"><u>Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">><b><br>
Cc: </b>"'Daniel.Fischer'" <</span><a href=mailto:Daniel.Fischer@esa.int target=_blank><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#800080;font-family:Calibri"><u>Daniel.Fischer@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">>,
Howie Weiss <</span><a href=mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.com target=_blank><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#800080;font-family:Calibri"><u>Howard.Weiss@parsons.com</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">><b><br>
Subject: </b>Publicly Available CCSDS Mailing List Archives</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Peter</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">I
had an action item from the Security WG that I neglected to do at the SEA
closing plenary which I now discovered when going through my notes to write
up the meeting minutes.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">The
concern is with the working group mailing list archives. Anyone,
without any authorization, can read the archives. As a result, we
have eliminated any potential for mailing list privacy. The mail
is not just available to the members of the mailing list – they are available
to anyone world-wide.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Here’s
a screen shot of the CESG archive that I just viewed (and I can read any
of the emails listed).</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"><image001.png></span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">We
believe that this must be fixed ASAP.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Regards</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Howie</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
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