[CESG] WG member and WG-info distribution list
Shames, Peter M (312B)
peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov
Mon Feb 6 16:24:37 UTC 2017
Hi Mario,
As I pointed out in my original note on this, participation in the WG meetings is already well described.
Dear All,
The topic of what is a CCSDS member has come up recently. There are some specific sections of the CCSDS Procedure that address this. See CCSDS a02x1y4 in the following sections:
5.2.6.4 Participation
Working Group participation is generally limited to WG members; however, occasional participation by ad-hoc technical experts may take place. Working group members must be affiliated with member or observer agencies, or liaison or associate organizations. Any WG participant who does not meet these criteria must be endorsed by an authorized representative from a member or observer agency.
But see also sections of the following:
2.3.3.2 Working Group Operating Procedures
5.1.5.2 Official CCSDS Document Repository
And the request to get a login is here:
http://cwe.ccsds.org/ReqLogin.aspx
Cheers, Peter
The process is that a person makes a request and their member agency of other affiliated organization authorizes it. This process is handled by the Secretariat.
The specific additions that were proposed were to deal with access to the mailing lists, with the assertion being that anyone who was permitted to attend a working meeting (see above) would be permitted access to the working group mailing lists.
The wording proposed for xyz-wg-info type lists was that they would be "broadly open to the public, but these shall not be used for normal Working Group operation". In normal usage this would mean that anyone, from anywhere, could sign up for an "info" style mailing list. Therefore it is up to the WG members who post to that list to police what they make available to the broad public.
So, to answer your questions:
1) That Iranian guy cannot be a WG member unless some member agency is willing to endorse him
2) That Iranian guy can sign himself up for the "info" list
Cheers, Peter
From: CESG <cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of Mario Merri <Mario.Merri at esa.int>
Date: Monday, February 6, 2017 at 4:33 AM
To: Nestor Peccia <Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>
Cc: CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>
Subject: [CESG] WG member and WG-info distribution list
Dear all,
I generally agree to the amended text proposed by Peter, but I have two open points:
1) How one becomes a WG member? Do they have to be nominated by member agencies? Can observer/liaisons agencies have WG members? What is the process for nomination?
2) Also, who decides who gets included in the WG-info distribution list? Based on what? I think here the CCSDS can should be fully open. My proposal is that anyone who requests it to the WG chair becomes member of the WG-info distribution list.
I have read again the YB and I do not think the points above are clear.
Coming to the specific case that triggered the discussion, can the Iranian guy:
- be WG member?
- be in the WG-info distribution list?
Regards,
__Mario
From: Nestor.Peccia at esa.int
To: "CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec\(cesg" <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>
Date: 06/02/2017 10:47
Subject: [CESG] Corrigendum: CESG 2017 webex # 1: Agenda
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Sorry, text was added in the wrong place. Please disregard my last mail
Please see text added in blue, including a suggested modification (by Tom, Brian and Dave) to Peter's 2nd paragraph text in red)
ciao
nestor
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Dear all,
Please find below an updated Agenda
1. CESG Actions still open
2. Docuemnt Status Queue
3. Polls with conditions not yet resolved
4. OMG Liaison: RFI on Vocabularies, Glossaries, Ontologies ?
5. Web info on recently completed reviews (including the issue of what will be stored and sent to the WG and who can get access to these inputs and when)
6. New proposed DAI WG project including parallel ISO reviews: Is this a pro or a con ?
7. Approval of recommended text (see below) to amend the Procedures Yellow Book - to provide criteria for joining the working group mailing lists. (regarding external requests for individuals with no sponsoring agency.)
8. AOB
ciao
nestor
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As noted in my email of 25 Oct to the CESG, copied below, the current version of the CCSDS Org & Proc Doc (CCSDS a02x1y4c2) already does a rather complete job of identifying the rules for participation in working groups and other working parts of CCSDS organizations. And the request for CWE login on the web site is also quite clear that some sort of review and approval, at least by AD or WG chair is required. This does not explicitly include mention of Agency Sponsorship, and it probably should since sec 5.2.6.4 requires it (see below).
Aside from fixing the website, I think that all we need to do in order to tidy up this issue is to propose a couple of minor clarifying changes to a02x1y4c2, as follows:
Pg 5-2, Sec 5.1.5.4
From:
5.1.5.4 Official CCSDS E-mail Lists
The Secretariat shall maintain an e-mail list server and provide moderated announcement and discussion e-mail lists for all CCSDS organizational units, including WGs and BOFs. A Web interface shall be provided for access to list archives.
The e-mail lists maintained by the Secretariat shall be the official CCSDS e-mail lists and shall be used for all official CCSDS correspondence distributed via e-mail to CCSDS
organizational units. The Secretariat monitors, filters, and virus-scans all e-mail sent to CCSDS e-mail lists to remove SPAM and messages that contain viruses.
To:
5.1.5.4 Official CCSDS E-mail Lists
The Secretariat shall maintain an e-mail list server and provide moderated announcement and discussion e-mail lists for all CCSDS organizational units, including WGs and BOFs. A Web interface shall be provided for access to list archives.
The e-mail lists maintained by the Secretariat shall be the official CCSDS e-mail lists and shall be used for all official CCSDS correspondence distributed via e-mail to CCSDS
organizational units. The Secretariat monitors, filters, and virus-scans all e-mail sent to CCSDS e-mail lists to remove SPAM and messages that contain viruses.
Access to the working email lists shall be limited to individuals who are members of the CCSDS Working Groups or CCSDS leadership and who are approved participants in a Working Group (see 5.2.6.4 Participation). Working Groups may, at their discretion, request creation of "WG-info" mailing lists for outreach that is broadly open to the public, but these shall not be used for normal Working Group operation.
And on pg 5-9, sec 5.2.6.4
From:
5.2.6.4 Participation
Working Group participation is generally limited to WG members; however, occasional participation by ad-hoc technical experts may take place. Working group members must be affiliated with member or observer agencies, or liaison or associate organizations. Any WG participant who does not meet these criteria must be endorsed by an authorized representative from a member or observer agency.
To:
5.2.6.4 Participation
Working Group participation is generally limited to WG members; however, occasional participation by ad-hoc technical experts may take place. Working group members must be affiliated with member or observer agencies, or liaison or associate organizations. Any WG participant who does not meet these criteria must be endorsed by an authorized representative from a member or observer agency.
Working Group participants should access the CCSDS online Collaborative Work Environment (CWE) on the web site (http://www.ccsds.org)<http://www.ccsds.org)/> to request a login credential. This will be used to access CWE private working group areas and also to register for working meeting attendance. CWE credentials must be approved by a sponsoring agency or the Secretariat.
Tom, Brian and Dave discussed some portions of the text and agreed to change it slightly as follows:
“Working Group participants should register with the CCSDS online Collaborative Work Environment (CWE) via the "Request Login" link (http://cwe.ccsds.org/ReqLogin.aspx). Approved registration enables access to CWE private working group areas and is required for working group meeting attendance. CWE registrants must be approved by a sponsoring agency or the Secretariat.”
Not a significant change, but as Tom noted, this language intentionally uses “Register” and “Approved registration” to maintain consistency with the text of the procedures manual.
This is obviously open for discussion and we need to also review with and get approval from the CESG and the CMC.
Regards, Peter
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