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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Hi Mario,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">As I pointed out in my original note on this, participation in the WG meetings is already well described.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">The topic of what is a CCSDS member has come up recently. There are some specific sections of the CCSDS Procedure that address this. See CCSDS a02x1y4 in the
following sections:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">5.2.6.4 Participation </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Working Group participation is generally limited to WG members; however, occasional participation by ad-hoc technical experts may take place. Working group members
must be affiliated with member or observer agencies, or liaison or associate organizations. Any WG participant who does not meet these criteria must be endorsed by an authorized representative from a member or observer agency.</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">But see also sections of the following:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">2.3.3.2 Working Group Operating Procedures</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">5.1.5.2 Official CCSDS Document Repository</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">And the request to get a login is here:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><a href="http://cwe.ccsds.org/ReqLogin.aspx">http://cwe.ccsds.org/ReqLogin.aspx</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Cheers, Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">The process is that a person makes a request and their member agency of other affiliated organization authorizes it. This process is handled by the Secretariat.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">The specific additions that were proposed were to deal with access to the mailing lists, with the assertion being that anyone who was permitted to attend a working meeting (see above) would
be permitted access to the working group mailing lists.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">The wording proposed for xyz-wg-info type lists was that they would be
<span style="color:red">"broadly open to the public, but these shall not be used for normal Working Group operation".
</span><span style="color:black">In normal usage this would mean that anyone, from anywhere, could sign up for an "info" style mailing list. Therefore it is up to the WG members who post to that list to police what they make available to the broad public.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black">So, to answer your questions:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black">That Iranian guy cannot be a WG member unless some member agency is willing to endorse him<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black">That Iranian guy can sign himself up for the "info" list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black">Cheers, Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">CESG <cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of Mario Merri <Mario.Merri@esa.int><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, February 6, 2017 at 4:33 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Nestor Peccia <Nestor.Peccia@esa.int><br>
<b>Cc: </b>CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[CESG] WG member and WG-info distribution list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Dear all,</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">I generally agree to the amended text proposed by Peter, but I have two open points:</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">1) How one becomes a WG member? Do they have to be nominated by member agencies? Can observer/liaisons agencies have WG members? What is the process for nomination?</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">2) Also, who decides who gets included in the WG-info distribution list? Based on what? I think here the CCSDS can should be fully open. My proposal is that anyone who requests it to the WG chair becomes member
of the WG-info distribution list.</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">I have read again the YB and I do not think the points above are clear.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Coming to the specific case that triggered the discussion, can the Iranian guy:</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">- be WG member?</span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">- be in the WG-info distribution list?</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Regards,</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">__Mario</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif","serif";color:#5F5F5F">From: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif","serif"">Nestor.Peccia@esa.int</span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif","serif";color:#5F5F5F">To: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif","serif"">"CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec\(cesg" <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif","serif";color:#5F5F5F">Date: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif","serif"">06/02/2017 10:47</span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif","serif";color:#5F5F5F">Subject: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif","serif"">[CESG] Corrigendum: CESG 2017 webex # 1: Agenda</span>
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif","serif";color:#5F5F5F">Sent by: </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"sans-serif","serif"">"CESG" <cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif","serif"">Sorry, text was added in the wrong place. Please disregard my last mail</span>
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Please see text added in blue, including a suggested modification (by Tom, Brian and Dave) to Peter's 2nd paragraph text in red)
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ciao</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif","serif""><br>
nestor</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif","serif""><br>
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Dear all,</span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif","serif""><br>
Please find below an updated Agenda</span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif","serif"">1. CESG Actions still open
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif","serif"">2. Docuemnt Status Queue</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif","serif"">3. Polls with conditions not yet resolved</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif","serif"">4. OMG Liaison: RFI on Vocabularies, Glossaries, Ontologies ?</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif","serif"">5. Web info on recently completed reviews (including the issue of what will be stored and sent to the WG and who can get access to these inputs and when)</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif","serif"">6. New proposed DAI WG project including parallel ISO reviews: Is this a pro or a con ?</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif","serif"">7. Approval of recommended text (see below) to amend the Procedures Yellow Book - to provide criteria for joining the working group mailing lists. (regarding external requests for individuals
with no sponsoring agency.) </span><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif","serif"">8. AOB</span>
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ciao</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif","serif""><br>
nestor</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif","serif""><br>
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As noted in my email of 25 Oct to the CESG, copied below, the current version of the CCSDS Org & Proc Doc (CCSDS a02x1y4c2) already does a rather complete job of identifying the rules for participation in working groups and other working parts of CCSDS organizations.
And the request for CWE login on the web site is also quite clear that some sort of review and approval, at least by AD or WG chair is required. This does not explicitly include mention of Agency Sponsorship, and it probably should since sec 5.2.6.4 requires
it (see below). <br>
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Aside from fixing the website, I think that all we need to do in order to tidy up this issue is to propose a couple of minor clarifying changes to a02x1y4c2, as follows:</span>
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Pg 5-2, Sec 5.1.5.4</span></u> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Calibri">
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From:</span> <b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><br>
5.1.5.4 Official CCSDS E-mail Lists </span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><br>
The Secretariat shall maintain an e-mail list server and provide moderated announcement and discussion e-mail lists for all CCSDS organizational units, including WGs and BOFs. A Web interface shall be provided for access to list archives.
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The e-mail lists maintained by the Secretariat shall be the official CCSDS e-mail lists and shall be used for all official CCSDS correspondence distributed via e-mail to CCSDS
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organizational units. The Secretariat monitors, filters, and virus-scans all e-mail sent to CCSDS e-mail lists to remove SPAM and messages that contain viruses.
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To:</span> <b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><br>
5.1.5.4 Official CCSDS E-mail Lists </span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><br>
The Secretariat shall maintain an e-mail list server and provide moderated announcement and discussion e-mail lists for all CCSDS organizational units, including WGs and BOFs. A Web interface shall be provided for access to list archives.
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</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><br>
The e-mail lists maintained by the Secretariat shall be the official CCSDS e-mail lists and shall be used for all official CCSDS correspondence distributed via e-mail to CCSDS
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organizational units. The Secretariat monitors, filters, and virus-scans all e-mail sent to CCSDS e-mail lists to remove SPAM and messages that contain viruses.
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Access to the working email lists shall be limited to individuals who are members of the CCSDS Working Groups or CCSDS leadership and who are approved participants in a Working Group (see 5.2.6.4 Participation). Working Groups may, at their discretion, request
creation of "WG-info" mailing lists for outreach that is broadly open to the public, but these shall not be used for normal Working Group operation.</span>
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</span> <u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><br>
And on pg 5-9, sec 5.2.6.4</span></u> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Calibri">
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From:</span> <b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><br>
5.2.6.4 Participation </span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><br>
Working Group participation is generally limited to WG members; however, occasional participation by ad-hoc technical experts may take place. Working group members must be affiliated with member or observer agencies, or liaison or associate organizations. Any
WG participant who does not meet these criteria must be endorsed by an authorized representative from a member or observer agency.
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</b></span> <b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><br>
To:</span></b> <b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><br>
5.2.6.4 Participation </span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><br>
Working Group participation is generally limited to WG members; however, occasional participation by ad-hoc technical experts may take place. Working group members must be affiliated with member or observer agencies, or liaison or associate organizations. Any
WG participant who does not meet these criteria must be endorsed by an authorized representative from a member or observer agency.
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</b></span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:red"><br>
Working Group participants should access the CCSDS online Collaborative Work Environment (CWE) on the web site (</span><a href="http://www.ccsds.org)/"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:red">http://www.ccsds.org)</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:red">
to request a login credential. This will be used to access CWE private working group areas and also to register for working meeting attendance. CWE credentials must be approved by a sponsoring agency or the Secretariat.</span>
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Tom, Brian and Dave discussed some portions of the text and agreed to change it slightly as follows:
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“Working Group participants should register with the CCSDS online Collaborative Work Environment (CWE) via the "Request Login" link (</span></b><a href="http://cwe.ccsds.org/ReqLogin.aspx"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Calibri">http://cwe.ccsds.org/ReqLogin.aspx</span></b></a><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:blue">).
Approved registration enables access to CWE private working group areas and is required for working group meeting attendance. CWE registrants must be approved by a sponsoring agency or the Secretariat.”
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Not a significant change, but as Tom noted, this language intentionally uses “Register” and “Approved registration” to maintain consistency with the text of the procedures manual.</span>
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This is obviously open for discussion and we need to also review with and get approval from the CESG and the CMC.</span>
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Regards, Peter</span> <br>
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