[CESG] V.Vorontsov Technical Note, Orange Book CCSDS 551.1-O-1 «Correlated Data Generation»

Wed Aug 23 08:58:04 UTC 2017

Peter,

you quoted the first page of the OB, have you looked also at the rest?

It seems to me that the main focus of this work is largely outside the 
scope of MOIMS. Only once there will be an agreement to make the OB a BB, 
there will maybe the need for a dedicated MO Service. At that time the 
MOIMS may play a role.

Regards,

__Mario

From:   "Shames, Peter M (312B)" <peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov>
To:     "Mario.Merri at esa.int" <Mario.Merri at esa.int>, 
"Nestor.Peccia at esa.int" <Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>
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<kenneth.s.andrews at jpl.nasa.gov>, "Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int" 
<Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int>, Victor Sank <victor.j.sank at nasa.gov>
Date:   22/08/2017 19:42
Subject:        Re: [CESG] V.Vorontsov Technical Note, Orange Book CCSDS 
551.1-O-1 «Correlated Data Generation»

Ciao Mario,

I am somewhat puzzled by your statement, even if you are just making it 
with your "MOIMS AD Hat" on.  I am just wondering why you reject this out 
of hand as "nothing to do with MOIMS"?   Does this look the same this with 
your "CESG member Hat" on?   While the OB does talk about combining data 
from diverse channels, and also the signal propagation properties, it is 
also, quite clearly, addressing the sort of ground data processing that 
would appear to be right in the usual mission operations "territory".  To 
quote from the intro to their OB (emphasis added):

The data receiving stations may include the relative software-hardware 
facilities of measuring stations located on territories of several states, 
with a common receiving station appointed MCC. The correlated data of 
improved reliability generated at this MCC may be transferred to MCCs of 
other Space Agencies. 

I suspect that this could be proposed as an "MO Service" if there was 
sufficient interest. Please note that I am not necessarily endorsing their 
request for BB status.  From a technical point of view my coding guys, in 
an earlier analysis, provided the following feedback.  I doubt that the 
intervening three years have changed their opinion, but I did ask them for 
an update:

As I've said before, the authors have undoubtedly worked very hard, but 
unfortunately have not discovered anything new.  They have developed 
sub-optimal techniques for problems in which the optimal techniques are 
already known.  Their new CCSDS document remains hard to read, both 
because of issues in translation, and because the authors are not familiar 
with the standard signal processing framework in which these problems lie. 
 In summary, my opinion remains the same as it did with previous versions 
of this work: the document does not provide any technical results of 
value, and comprehensibility is extremely low, so we should not be 
spending time on it. 

I hope that the various WG chairs and other experts who are copied on this 
will weigh in with an informed technical opinion on the details of what is 
being proposed.  This is not my field of expertise so I request, and rely 
on, their technical feedback.

Thanks, Peter

From: CESG <cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of Mario Merri 
<Mario.Merri at esa.int>
Date: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 9:35 AM
To: Nestor Peccia <Nestor.Peccia at esa.int>
Cc: CESG <cesg-bounces at mailman.ccsds.org>, CCSDS Engineering Steering 
Group - CESG Exec <cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>, Dennis K Lee 
<dennis.k.lee at jpl.nasa.gov>, "Massimo.Bertinelli at esa.int" 
<Massimo.Bertinelli at esa.int>, Kenneth Andrews 
<kenneth.s.andrews at jpl.nasa.gov>, "Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int" 
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Subject: Re: [CESG] V.Vorontsov Technical Note, Orange Book CCSDS 
551.1-O-1 «Correlated Data Generation»

The only thing that I understand well is that it has nothing to do with 
the MOIMS. 

Regards, 

__Mario 

From:        Nestor.Peccia at esa.int 
To:        "CESG -- CCSDS-Engineering Steering Group 
\(cesg at mailman.ccsds.org\) \(cesg at mailman.ccsds.org\)" 
<cesg at mailman.ccsds.org>, Enrico.Vassallo at esa.int, "Lee, Dennis K (332G)" 
<dennis.k.lee at jpl.nasa.gov>, Massimo.Bertinelli at esa.int, 
kenneth.s.andrews at jpl.nasa.gov 
Date:        21/08/2017 12:19 
Subject:        [CESG] V.Vorontsov Technical Note, Orange Book CCSDS 
551.1-O-1 «Correlated Data Generation» 
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Dear all, 
During the last Technical meeting at San Antonio I had a short discussion 
with Prof Vorontsov, who wanted to present the next steps he would like to 
do within CCSDS after the issue of Roscosmos OB (Correlated Data 
Generation). 

As there was no russian translator and the ESA staff participated via 
webex,  I did ask him to produce a TN in english explaining his 
intentions. 

You will find the TN attached below. It is only 3.5 pages. 

I have also included the RFM and C&S  WG Chairs because the TN addresses 
some of their ToRs. 

Please let me have your views by 25th September  2017 cob 

ciaonestor 

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